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  • Babylon 5 on Empire's Top 50 TV shows of all time!

    http://www.empireonline.com/50greate...fault.asp?tv=1

    IMO, the list is kinda bogus, but it's on the list anyway!
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    ok that list is full of horse shit. if you are going to consider cartoons in there then 1, justice leage, 2 he-man, and 3 thundercats all belong on that list. and half those "present" shows belong in the nearest trash bin

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    • #3
      Empire magazine buyers are unlikely to vote for children's cartoons that are less than 10 years old - they will be at work/college when the cartoon is shown. The buyers are obviously geeks.
      Andrew Swallow

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Andrew_Swallow View Post
        Empire magazine buyers are unlikely to vote for children's cartoons that are less than 10 years old - they will be at work/college when the cartoon is shown. The buyers are obviously geeks.
        even if its childrens programs those cartoons are better written and better acting (voice) then more then half the garbage on that list

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Lunan View Post
          ok that list is full of horse shit. if you are going to consider cartoons in there then 1, justice leage, 2 he-man, and 3 thundercats all belong on that list. and half those "present" shows belong in the nearest trash bin
          So true! ^^

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          • #6
            What the f**k is Angel doing on that list ? I am a long cry from a trekkie, but shouldn't it be in the top ten ? I've heard rumours that Star Trek was a pretty big hit back in the day.


            Absolute mess.

            -Dip

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            • #7
              The so-called 'list' features are always cheap and easy to do, plus I'm always reminded of the old expression that opinions are like a**holes: everybody has one. This one in particular is rather poorly done; if you're going to create a list that encompasses the entirety of television, it would probably be helpful to have a few people who are older than age 30 write it. Looking back to the sixties and seventies, there are only four entries: Doctor Who, Star Trek, Monty Python and Fawlty Towers- all good choices to be sure, but one could argue that they're almost obligatory for a list like this. It's as though the people have written the piece aren't aware of any shows before, say, 1985, unless of course they're on DVD.

              I know these lists are A) entirely subjective, and B) usually created to prompt lots of letter-writing, but even so, there are glaring omissions. How can you not include such classic genre shows as The Twilight Zone or The Outer Limits? Drama series like Hill Street Blues or St. Elsewhere? Comedies such as Your Show of Shows or The Honeymooners? Granted the latter two are US shows, but I don't think this list makes a point of differentiating between US and UK television. And even if it's the latter, how could you ignore One Foot in the Grave, arguably the greatest British sitcom behind Fawlty Towers?

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              • #8
                Any list that the epic B5 just above the utterly vacuous CSI isn't very good, IMHO.

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                • #9
                  At least B5 got a mention tho - which keeps it in the public eye.
                  Duracell Bunny is arrested and charged with BATTERY!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Joe Nazzaro View Post
                    The so-called 'list' features are always cheap and easy to do, plus I'm always reminded of the old expression that opinions are like a**holes: everybody has one. This one in particular is rather poorly done; if you're going to create a list that encompasses the entirety of television, it would probably be helpful to have a few people who are older than age 30 write it. Looking back to the sixties and seventies, there are only four entries: Doctor Who, Star Trek, Monty Python and Fawlty Towers- all good choices to be sure, but one could argue that they're almost obligatory for a list like this. It's as though the people have written the piece aren't aware of any shows before, say, 1985, unless of course they're on DVD.

                    I know these lists are A) entirely subjective, and B) usually created to prompt lots of letter-writing, but even so, there are glaring omissions. How can you not include such classic genre shows as The Twilight Zone or The Outer Limits? Drama series like Hill Street Blues or St. Elsewhere? Comedies such as Your Show of Shows or The Honeymooners? Granted the latter two are US shows, but I don't think this list makes a point of differentiating between US and UK television. And even if it's the latter, how could you ignore One Foot in the Grave, arguably the greatest British sitcom behind Fawlty Towers?
                    Your specific arguments about the content of the list aren't with Empire, but with their readers, who voted for the items on the list. And anyway, One Foot in the Grave doesn't even bare mentioning anywhere near a list with such brilliance as Blackadder in it.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Joe Nazzaro View Post
                      Looking back to the sixties and seventies, there are only four entries: Doctor Who, Star Trek, Monty Python and Fawlty Towers- all good choices to be sure, but one could argue that they're almost obligatory for a list like this.
                      Actually, the Dr. Who they include is the new one that started in 2005, not the old classic!

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                      • #12
                        I wonder if everyone who voted specified that or made the distinction though? There are folks who consider these to be the 20-oddth seasons, not a 'new' series.

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                        • #13
                          Including me. I would have no hesitation about voting for Doctor Who as a body of work, as opposed to the new series; not that there's anything wrong with it, but as with many entries on this list, I would take exception because they're new and shiny and haven't yet stood the test of time.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by raw_bean View Post
                            I wonder if everyone who voted specified that or made the distinction though? There are folks who consider these to be the 20-oddth seasons, not a 'new' series.
                            i'm sorry, the "new" series is nothing of the sort
                            to those who understand doctor who ther eis no distinction between "classic" and "new" its just a pick up after a far too long hiatus

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by raw_bean View Post
                              I wonder if everyone who voted specified that or made the distinction though? There are folks who consider these to be the 20-oddth seasons, not a 'new' series.
                              Originally posted by Lunan View Post
                              i'm sorry, the "new" series is nothing of the sort
                              to those who understand doctor who ther eis no distinction between "classic" and "new" its just a pick up after a far too long hiatus
                              Many may not make a disctinction, but the Empire article did, and was specifically referring to the latest:

                              2005 - Present
                              When Russell T. Davies announced his plan to re-launch the BBC's adored sci-fi classic, geeks got nervous and regular folk were apathetic. It's something of a miracle then that not only did the Queer As Folk creator assuage the die-hards, but he also managed to recruit a new generation of Who-ites. Quintessentially British and knowingly silly, this Timelord redux somehow manages to be exciting and fresh while imbuing the whole series with a respectful reverence for its rich history.

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