War without End. The Beginning...

[redbrick]

I think at this point we'd be lucky to get a book.

bummer....

[glindros]

I think at this point we'd be lucky to get a book.

[redbrick]

If I remember correctly, this was brought up before in these forums. I can't remember who it was, but they raised a very good point. That point was if this was done there may not be a market for it because there wouldn't be any "Human Characters" in it. The story would focus on the other Space Bearing Races and as we know, Humans weren't in space during the first Shadow war.
Having said that, JMS could do a time travel story somehow with Humans somehow witnessing the begining, duration and end of that war.

Couple of thoughtsà.

àIf Michael OÆ Hare could be convinced ($$) to resume his role as Valen. The story could be structured like LondoÆs æIn the BeginningÆ movie reminiscing the days of his leadership during the Great War during the final days of his life. The story would end with Valen writing Sinclair and Delenn the letter which they will receive 1000 years later.

At the end of æWar without End,Æ Sinclair aged many years ahead of his time while attempting to get B4 back in time. To simplify, this could coincide with his current age and I think a bit of latex and make-up should do the trick to bring ValenÆs look back. (thinkà Emperor Palpatine)

As for Marketing, I think this is exactly what American Sci-fi needsàa story that pushes the boundaries as the B5 series did during its time. This time however the story places focus on Aliens with a Human character placed in the background and serves as a key point of the story to turn the tides of events. Ironically, this background Human character is inversely the focal point of the story. As a side story, it would be interesting to see how Delenn is a decendent of Valen. Perhaps the aging Mira Furlan is DelennÆs great, great, great, great grandmotheràwho knowsà Simultaneously, it would be very interesting to see how Valen formed the Grey Council bringing the 3 Minbari castes together and the Rangers. So many loose ends that would make an amazing come back for the B5 series.

àjust my 2 bits.

[*Starstuff*]

Oh, I will let you know about what I think. But I will open a separate thread for that. My apologies to the thread starter for going so far off topic

[Jan]

But technically, I am still a B5 virgin, not having watched all episodes yet. It would take a lot of time to explain, but B5 helped me through a rough time last year and I am just not ready to finish watching it ... because then it will be , well, over.

Sigh...I find myself envying you, still having so much of the show to experience for the first time. It won't really be over, though. You'll still have the movies and Crusade and while they're very different, they're still in the right universe.

I am enjoying it immensely and I think I will time my watching so that I will have finished watching the series and the movies by the time the FedCon in Germany starts (where Bruce Boxleitner and Peter Jurasik will appear). Of course, except "Sleeping in light"

That sounds like fun. Both men are *really* nice. Do feel free to post your thoughts, though. We 'old timers' enjoy experiencing the first time viewing vicariously.

Jan

[babylonlurker]

But technically, I am still a B5 virgin, not having watched all episodes yet. It would take a lot of time to explain, but B5 helped me through a rough time last year and I am just not ready to finish watching it ... because then it will be , well, over.
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Not to worry *Starstuff*,

Many in this forum have watched B5 several times , ...
I still enjoy it , in some cases even more, because new things seem to catch my attention every time I watch it again

... and you certainly have a lot of good stuff waiting to be watched

[Garibaldi's Hair]

@vacantlook: Don't worry because of spoilers, I have the rare ability to oversee things I am not supposed to see

In that case ... nothing to see here ... move along ...

[*Starstuff*]

Well, when the show first aired in Germany I started watching it, but somewhere during the last part of the third season I lost track of things ... or maybe my parents didn't let me watch it anymore, I don't remember.

So, I have purchased all 5 seasons and TLT on DVD in November/December and I started from the beginning again. I watched it all until "Falling towards Apotheosis". Then I was so shocked by what was revealed that I stopped watching any further and started from the beginning again

I _do_ have an idea what will happen through season 4 and 5 though. I also have an idea what will happen in "Sleepin in Light" because I watched a very nice video on YouTube that looked closely at the relationship between Delenn and Sheridan. No need to mention that _this_ made me cry real hard *sigh*

But technically, I am still a B5 virgin, not having watched all episodes yet. It would take a lot of time to explain, but B5 helped me through a rough time last year and I am just not ready to finish watching it ... because then it will be , well, over.

I am enjoying it immensely and I think I will time my watching so that I will have finished watching the series and the movies by the time the FedCon in Germany starts (where Bruce Boxleitner and Peter Jurasik will appear). Of course, except "Sleeping in light"

@vacantlook: Don't worry because of spoilers, I have the rare ability to oversee things I am not supposed to see

[vacantlook]

Londo had a KEEPER for DAVID?!?! Now I have to get the books as well! And I am not even through with the DVD's yet. Guys, you are responsible if I am broke!

Did I participate in the inadvertent spoiling of something? If so, I apologize.

Starstuff, when you say you're not through with the DVDs yet, do you mean you're not finished watching the show for the first time, or do you mean that you're not finished purchasing the show on DVD?

[Jan]

You're not finished with the series, Starstuff? You'll see what Vacantlook means by the end of the fifth season but what happens with the 'gift' that Londo gives is covered in the novels.

Jan

[*Starstuff*]

I believe the Garibaldi/Bester bit is in the final book of the telepath trilogy. The keeper Londo gave for David is dealt with in the Centauri trilogy.

Londo had a KEEPER for DAVID?!?! Now I have to get the books as well! And I am not even through with the DVD's yet. Guys, you are responsible if I am broke!

[vacantlook]

There are so many loose ends to this series I hope some of them get resolvedà.or brought as close to conclusion as possible. For instance does Garibaldi ever get revenge on Bester, how does LondoÆs Keeper gift play out with David Sheriden, Etc.?

I believe the Garibaldi/Bester bit is in the final book of the telepath trilogy. The keeper Londo gave for David is dealt with in the Centauri trilogy.

[Truth66]

If I remember correctly, this was brought up before in these forums. I can't remember who it was, but they raised a very good point. That point was if this was done there may not be a market for it because there wouldn't be any "Human Characters" in it. The story would focus on the other Space Bearing Races and as we know, Humans weren't in space during the first Shadow war.
Having said that, JMS could do a time travel story somehow with Humans somehow witnessing the begining, duration and end of that war.

[*Starstuff*]

I wonder if JMS is against any recasting whatsoever? I know he has made his posistion clear in repect to the Dr. Franklin and G'Kar characters, but does this extend to all characters?

I think the bigger question would be how the fans - who are supposed to buy the DVD's or a ticket to the movie theater - would react to a re-casting.
I can only speak for myself, but as long as the original actors are available, I think they should pick up their old roles (if they still want to). Of course, it gets more difficult with each passing year, seeing that they don't get younger and some storylines that reach in the past are difficult to realize with a 40yr old Sinclair/Sheridan/Delenn when the actors have already passed the 50 and are heading sraight for their sixties.

I don't know if I'd enjoy a movie where some other actor than Michael O'Hare plays Sinclair. He's just part of the story, he IS Sinclair. Anyone else would feel very weird. And that extends to all other actors as well ...

The whole idea of doing a movie about the Shadow War 1000 years prior to the one during 2261 would be great though When you take into account JMS' talent of creating storyline that intertwine and connect, there could be some real surprises there ...

I am all for it

[redbrick]

Thanks for the response. I guess I can look forward to the excitement of this news when it does come.

There are so many loose ends to this series I hope some of them get resolvedà.or brought as close to conclusion as possible. For instance does Garibaldi ever get revenge on Bester, how does LondoÆs Keeper gift play out with David Sheriden, Etc.?

IÆve introduced this series to a few of my non sci-fi relatives and it has really captured their attention. I look forward to the next TLT movie.

Thanks