The Babylon Project - Crusade

[Crusader]

I Just finished writing the Crusade article on The Babylon Project, i pooled as much info as i could find into the article. Could everyone go and have a look and give me some feedback, Thanks.

http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Crusade

[Jan]

Welcome back Crusader (the poster formerly known as 'munnp001' ). One sentence bothers me a little:

there was some reluctance about bringing Dureena Nafeel onto the crew as she was a member of the Thieves Guild, however Gideon was able to get her onboard and with her help he was able to get a Technomage named Galen to join the crew.

Didn't Galen hitch decide to go along (mostly) because he already knew Gideon? I remember Dureena commenting that she'd expected Galen but that he wasn't there yet and then he revealed himself to Gideon. Or am I forgetting something?

Plus, it might be a good idea to mention that Galen's an unofficial member who comes and goes as he pleases.

Jan

[nova]

Welcome back Crusader (the poster formerly known as 'munnp001' ). One sentence bothers me a little:


Didn't Galen hitch decide to go along (mostly) because he already knew Gideon? I remember Dureena commenting that she'd expected Galen but that he wasn't there yet and then he revealed himself to Gideon. Or am I forgetting something?

Plus, it might be a good idea to mention that Galen's an unofficial member who comes and goes as he pleases.

Jan

Jan is always right
I will listen to Jan
I will not ignore Jan's recommendations
Jan is... ahh... sorry Jan, I have my limits.

[Jan]

Not a problem, Nova. And I appreciate the sentiment but I've often forgotten things and been corrected so I hope *nobody* just accepts what I say as gospel.

Jan

[Crusader]

Welcome back Crusader (the poster formerly known as 'munnp001' ). One sentence bothers me a little:


Didn't Galen hitch decide to go along (mostly) because he already knew Gideon? I remember Dureena commenting that she'd expected Galen but that he wasn't there yet and then he revealed himself to Gideon. Or am I forgetting something?

Plus, it might be a good idea to mention that Galen's an unofficial member who comes and goes as he pleases.

Jan

Now that i think about it you are right about Galen, thanks. Ill make some changes in the coming days. And thanks for that little nod at the start of your post lol

[WorkerCaste]

Just a quick thought... "A Call to Arms" wasn't actually a pilot. It was a B5 movie that acted as a transition or introduction. It featured almost none of the regular characters (Galen and Dureena begin the exceptions). While pilots can have casting changes, this case was somewhat different in that it was never meant to be the cast of the series.

[Crusader]

Just a quick thought... "A Call to Arms" wasn't actually a pilot. It was a B5 movie that acted as a transition or introduction. It featured almost none of the regular characters (Galen and Dureena begin the exceptions). While pilots can have casting changes, this case was somewhat different in that it was never meant to be the cast of the series.

But i think A Call to Arms is widely viewed as a pilot to crusade. And i believe i used the words "serves as a pilot" rather than "is a pilot"

[WorkerCaste]

But i think A Call to Arms is widely viewed as a pilot to crusade. And i believe i used the words "serves as a pilot" rather than "is a pilot"

Your call, but "pilot" in the television industry means something specific even if common usuage blurs the definition. Just thought you might want to adhere to the industry jargon since you put so much effort into the many details there.

[Jan]

When in doubt, ask JMS:

From: J. Michael Straczynski <[email protected]>
Subject: Crusade Confirmed
To: CIS
Date: 5/4/1998 5:32:00 PM
{original post had no questions}

No, A Call to Arms isn't a Crusade pilot, it's a B5 movie that
somewhat sets the stage for the new show, but is not a part of it.

jms

Jan

[Lunan]

well as long as we are talking about crusade. has joe ever considered "finishing" the series? in book form perhaps, maybe with outlines like was done fro the techno-mage books?

[Capt.Montoya]

The media jargon I know for what ACtA was to Crusade is Backdoor Pilot.

(those that actually know can correct me, of course)

[KoshN]

well as long as we are talking about crusade. has joe ever considered "finishing" the series? in book form perhaps, maybe with outlines like was done fro the techno-mage books?

No, because he intended Crusade to be a TV show.


Believe me, I've asked.

[Jan]

well as long as we are talking about crusade. has joe ever considered "finishing" the series? in book form perhaps, maybe with outlines like was done fro the techno-mage books?

To expand a bit on KoshN's reply, JMS had indicated at the Hawthorne convention that the feature film, 'The Memory of Shadows' (aka TMoS) would have at least some of the Crusade story in it but since that dead-ended, I don't know what, if any, more of it we'll ever see.

Jan

[KoshN]

Welcome back Crusader (the poster formerly known as 'munnp001' ). One sentence bothers me a little:


Didn't Galen hitch decide to go along (mostly) because he already knew Gideon?

That's the explanation we get in the campfire scene at the end of "War Zone", but if you remember, Galen was joining Dureena at the end of "A Call to Arms". I took the latter as him joining up to help find the cure to the plague. Spoiler for the Crusade Unfilmed Script "End of the Line":

From the unfilmed scripts, we also know it's to be on the lookout for use of shadowtech by the younger races (e.g. Earthforce Black Projects) and stop that use. He knows that Gideon is going to run into shadowtech in his search for the Earthforce Black Projects Shadow Hybrid ship that destroyed the Cerberus.

I remember Dureena commenting that she'd expected Galen but that he wasn't there yet...

Yes, near the beginning of "War Zone", but at that time she doesn't mention Galen by name and Gideon doesn't know to whom she's referring.

and then he revealed himself to Gideon.

First in the audio only message to Gideon early in "War Zone", and then at the campfire scene near where he saved Gideon's life.

Plus, it might be a good idea to mention that Galen's an unofficial member who comes and goes as he pleases.

True, for reasons revealed in the Legions of Fire trilogy of novels.

[nova]

Not a problem, Nova. And I appreciate the sentiment but I've often forgotten things and been corrected so I hope *nobody* just accepts what I say as gospel.

Jan

Well it was the best I could come up with. I initially thought of "there's nothing more annoying than Jan when she's right" ... haha. But you're not annoying so it doesn't quite work...