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    I Just finished writing the Crusade article on The Babylon Project, i pooled as much info as i could find into the article. Could everyone go and have a look and give me some feedback, Thanks.

    http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Crusade
    This is my command. I'll do whatever's necessary. If that means turning the entire galaxy upside down and shaking its pockets to see what falls out, then that's what I'll do. I'm not subtle. I'm not pretty, and I'll piss off a lot of people along the way. But I'll get the job done.

    - Captain Matthew Gideon

  • #2
    Welcome back Crusader (the poster formerly known as 'munnp001' ). One sentence bothers me a little:
    there was some reluctance about bringing Dureena Nafeel onto the crew as she was a member of the Thieves Guild, however Gideon was able to get her onboard and with her help he was able to get a Technomage named Galen to join the crew.
    Didn't Galen hitch decide to go along (mostly) because he already knew Gideon? I remember Dureena commenting that she'd expected Galen but that he wasn't there yet and then he revealed himself to Gideon. Or am I forgetting something?

    Plus, it might be a good idea to mention that Galen's an unofficial member who comes and goes as he pleases.

    Jan
    "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Jan View Post
      Welcome back Crusader (the poster formerly known as 'munnp001' ). One sentence bothers me a little:


      Didn't Galen hitch decide to go along (mostly) because he already knew Gideon? I remember Dureena commenting that she'd expected Galen but that he wasn't there yet and then he revealed himself to Gideon. Or am I forgetting something?

      Plus, it might be a good idea to mention that Galen's an unofficial member who comes and goes as he pleases.

      Jan
      Jan is always right
      I will listen to Jan
      I will not ignore Jan's recommendations
      Jan is... ahh... sorry Jan, I have my limits.

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      • #4
        Not a problem, Nova. And I appreciate the sentiment but I've often forgotten things and been corrected so I hope *nobody* just accepts what I say as gospel.

        Jan
        "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jan View Post
          Welcome back Crusader (the poster formerly known as 'munnp001' ). One sentence bothers me a little:


          Didn't Galen hitch decide to go along (mostly) because he already knew Gideon? I remember Dureena commenting that she'd expected Galen but that he wasn't there yet and then he revealed himself to Gideon. Or am I forgetting something?

          Plus, it might be a good idea to mention that Galen's an unofficial member who comes and goes as he pleases.

          Jan
          Now that i think about it you are right about Galen, thanks. Ill make some changes in the coming days. And thanks for that little nod at the start of your post lol
          This is my command. I'll do whatever's necessary. If that means turning the entire galaxy upside down and shaking its pockets to see what falls out, then that's what I'll do. I'm not subtle. I'm not pretty, and I'll piss off a lot of people along the way. But I'll get the job done.

          - Captain Matthew Gideon

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          • #6
            Just a quick thought... "A Call to Arms" wasn't actually a pilot. It was a B5 movie that acted as a transition or introduction. It featured almost none of the regular characters (Galen and Dureena begin the exceptions). While pilots can have casting changes, this case was somewhat different in that it was never meant to be the cast of the series.
            "That was the law, as set down by Valen. Three castes: worker, religious, warrior."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by WorkerCaste View Post
              Just a quick thought... "A Call to Arms" wasn't actually a pilot. It was a B5 movie that acted as a transition or introduction. It featured almost none of the regular characters (Galen and Dureena begin the exceptions). While pilots can have casting changes, this case was somewhat different in that it was never meant to be the cast of the series.
              But i think A Call to Arms is widely viewed as a pilot to crusade. And i believe i used the words "serves as a pilot" rather than "is a pilot"
              This is my command. I'll do whatever's necessary. If that means turning the entire galaxy upside down and shaking its pockets to see what falls out, then that's what I'll do. I'm not subtle. I'm not pretty, and I'll piss off a lot of people along the way. But I'll get the job done.

              - Captain Matthew Gideon

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Crusader View Post
                But i think A Call to Arms is widely viewed as a pilot to crusade. And i believe i used the words "serves as a pilot" rather than "is a pilot"
                Your call, but "pilot" in the television industry means something specific even if common usuage blurs the definition. Just thought you might want to adhere to the industry jargon since you put so much effort into the many details there.
                "That was the law, as set down by Valen. Three castes: worker, religious, warrior."

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                • #9
                  When in doubt, ask JMS:
                  From: J. Michael Straczynski <[email protected]>
                  Subject: Crusade Confirmed
                  To: CIS
                  Date: 5/4/1998 5:32:00 PM
                  {original post had no questions}

                  No, A Call to Arms isn't a Crusade pilot, it's a B5 movie that
                  somewhat sets the stage for the new show, but is not a part of it.

                  jms

                  Jan
                  "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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                  • #10
                    well as long as we are talking about crusade. has joe ever considered "finishing" the series? in book form perhaps, maybe with outlines like was done fro the techno-mage books?

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                    • #11
                      The media jargon I know for what ACtA was to Crusade is Backdoor Pilot.

                      (those that actually know can correct me, of course)
                      Such... is the respect paid to science that the most absurd opinions may become current, provided they are expressed in language, the sound of which recalls some well-known scientific phrase
                      James Clerk Maxwell (1831-79)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Lunan View Post
                        well as long as we are talking about crusade. has joe ever considered "finishing" the series? in book form perhaps, maybe with outlines like was done fro the techno-mage books?
                        No, because he intended Crusade to be a TV show.


                        Believe me, I've asked.
                        Mac Breck (KoshN)
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                        Warner Brothers is Lucy.
                        JMS and we fans are collectively Charlie Brown.
                        Babylon 5 is the football.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Lunan View Post
                          well as long as we are talking about crusade. has joe ever considered "finishing" the series? in book form perhaps, maybe with outlines like was done fro the techno-mage books?
                          To expand a bit on KoshN's reply, JMS had indicated at the Hawthorne convention that the feature film, 'The Memory of Shadows' (aka TMoS) would have at least some of the Crusade story in it but since that dead-ended, I don't know what, if any, more of it we'll ever see.

                          Jan
                          "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jan View Post
                            Welcome back Crusader (the poster formerly known as 'munnp001' ). One sentence bothers me a little:


                            Didn't Galen hitch decide to go along (mostly) because he already knew Gideon?
                            That's the explanation we get in the campfire scene at the end of "War Zone", but if you remember, Galen was joining Dureena at the end of "A Call to Arms". I took the latter as him joining up to help find the cure to the plague. Spoiler for the Crusade Unfilmed Script "End of the Line":
                            From the unfilmed scripts, we also know it's to be on the lookout for use of shadowtech by the younger races (e.g. Earthforce Black Projects) and stop that use. He knows that Gideon is going to run into shadowtech in his search for the Earthforce Black Projects Shadow Hybrid ship that destroyed the Cerberus.



                            Originally posted by Jan View Post
                            I remember Dureena commenting that she'd expected Galen but that he wasn't there yet...
                            Yes, near the beginning of "War Zone", but at that time she doesn't mention Galen by name and Gideon doesn't know to whom she's referring.


                            Originally posted by Jan View Post
                            and then he revealed himself to Gideon.
                            First in the audio only message to Gideon early in "War Zone", and then at the campfire scene near where he saved Gideon's life.


                            Originally posted by Jan View Post
                            Plus, it might be a good idea to mention that Galen's an unofficial member who comes and goes as he pleases.
                            True, for reasons revealed in the Legions of Fire trilogy of novels.
                            Last edited by KoshN; 08-29-2007, 12:21 PM.
                            Mac Breck (KoshN)
                            ------------------
                            Warner Brothers is Lucy.
                            JMS and we fans are collectively Charlie Brown.
                            Babylon 5 is the football.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jan View Post
                              Not a problem, Nova. And I appreciate the sentiment but I've often forgotten things and been corrected so I hope *nobody* just accepts what I say as gospel.

                              Jan
                              Well it was the best I could come up with. I initially thought of "there's nothing more annoying than Jan when she's right" ... haha. But you're not annoying so it doesn't quite work...

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