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  • Sinclair Conspiracy Theory.....

    Sorry if this has been discussed before - but if it was i missed it

    *Conspiracy BEGIN*

    ok i was just sifting through some internet stuff about the Knights Templar/Priory of Sion and Catharism when one of the names that came up that i thouht i'd follow up was Prince Henry Sinclair (not thinking of B5 then at all .
    Some thoughts struck me

    Sinclair is one of the oldest sir names in existance derived from the norman 'St Clair' and first used in France - but getting back to the point.....
    The name Sinclair and the descendants - particularly one 'PRince Henry Sinclair' was a member of the Knights Templar (somewhat akin to the rangers i guess) - and apparently carried and protected the Holy grail. He was appointed 'Grand master' of the Knights Templar at some point (like Jeffrey Sinclair is appointed En'til'za (sp)) and lead a crusade (or takes part in).

    Jeffrery Sinclair states in S1 that his family have been fighter pilots back to the battle of Britain (Ascertaining 2 things...first that they were warriors and second that they, at some point, were British). I don't remember him ever hinting at a scottish link but one can speculate .

    Most interestingly - if you read into the speculaion of the last decade or so - the actual holy grail is really i direct blood-link from Jesus christ. (they believe that Jesus married Mary Magdelene and that the couple had children which was passed down the ancient Royal Merovingian bloodline).
    Regardless if this is just a hoax/bogus etc (i'm not meaning to challenge anyones religious views here), But the thought just occured that Sinclair being a 'Direct descendant' of Valen seemed co-incidental at best, with insinuation of Prince Henry Sinclair being a descendant of Jesus.
    Additionally he apparently took the grail (or himself) to Canada and north America founding Nova Scotia.

    It was just a thought, knowing how some writers are quite particular about names - but it just seemed to coincidently fit Sincalirs traits (and he did make a point of talking about the Sinclairs Lineage )

    *conspiracy END*
    One up for the angry Teep

  • #2
    Sinclair

    Sinclair is not, anywhere, a direct "descendant" of Valen. He IS Valen. Valen came into being when Sinclair, during the events of Babylon Squared and War Without End (parts one and two) travelled back in time and became Valen.

    As to the rest of it, I would not put it past jms to have such a convoluted premise for his storylines. He is well versed in histories and mythologies, and borrows from many of them in order to make his story as epic as it is.
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    • #3
      well that might not so, no one knows what happened to Valen after the great war, only that for some reason he had to leave the minbar and after his death, his minbari children returned, it could be posible that he could have gone back to 12 century earth (using the triluminary (sp?) to become human again) and died there.
      The avalanche has already begun it is to late for the pebbles to vote.

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      • #4
        But if he used the Triluminary to change himself back to a human, how could he have also left it for later when Delenn needed it? (Interesting theory, though!)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Gkar4ever
          But if he used the Triluminary to change himself back to a human, how could he have also left it for later when Delenn needed it? (Interesting theory, though!)
          True the story sort of hinges on the fact that Delenn's transformation created the balance for Sinclair's.

          I see the similarities in the St. Clair story and also would not put it past JMS to have borrowed from it. Excellent detective work LytaaaarGH.
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          • #6
            How do we know for sure there is only one Triluminary that exists in the Babylon 5 universe?

            According to jms the ''triluminaries'' originally came from Epsilon 3 and were brought onboard the whitestar via Zathras.

            The possiblities regarding the triluminaries after this point are endless.
            Last edited by CRONAN; 05-13-2004, 04:29 AM.

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            • #7
              Sinclair is not, anywhere, a direct "descendant" of Valen. He IS Valen. Valen came into being when Sinclair, during the events of Babylon Squared and War Without End (parts one and two) travelled back in time and became Valen.
              This i Understand
              I'll clarify what i mean't: I wasn't meaning that it was a literal representation -- but that throughout the first series and even up until the revalation in Series 3, he is thought of as a descendant of valen (as is Delenn - though she is just another descendant of the sinclair lineage). So picking a name like Sinclair seems to befit the character given its history - just in the vague mythological sense...
              Alternatiely, taking the suggested religious implications more seriously, one could speculate that, as a Sinclair, he may already in fact be 'Holy' with the possible and implied lineage from Christ. Thus for him to become a great religious leader, albeit on another planet, is indeed fitting and justified.


              But if he used the Triluminary to change himself back to a human, how could he have also left it for later when Delenn needed it? (Interesting theory, though!)
              He could have given it to his children when they returned to Minbar? :P


              Another thing that occurred which i am not suggesting was deliberate or probably even known.. (yes im going too far in-depth here and creating my own little story )

              But that Henry Sinclair lived c1345 - 1400...........
              That is the correct time frame for 1000 yrs before B5 (2357-62) and the last great war to which he travelled... thus putting him in the correct time period to visit earth at that time...
              no insinuation :P just a really interesting co-incidence

              ***sorry TheOneToCome i just realized you pointed out the same thing - Creds ***
              Last edited by LytaaaarGh; 05-13-2004, 08:11 AM.
              One up for the angry Teep

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              • #8
                That is the correct time frame for 1000 yrs before B5 (2357-62)
                ----------------------------------------------------------------

                Hmmm. Youre off by 100 years. It's 2257-62.

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                • #9
                  ****BIG OOOOPS****
                  THx CRONAN, now i feel smaller than these letters :P

                  Oh well you know give or take 100 yrs whose counting
                  *Dies slowly in a corner etc *
                  One up for the angry Teep

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by LytaaaarGh
                    ****BIG OOOOPS****
                    THx CRONAN, now i feel smaller than these letters :P

                    Oh well you know give or take 100 yrs whose counting
                    *Dies slowly in a corner etc *
                    Actually, it would have to have been long after the 1250s that Valen would revert to Saint Clair, becuase he has to take the time to win the war, reorganize Minbar, have kids, etc.... say, 100 years or so. Your theory can stand.
                    I believe that when we leave a place, part of it goes with us and part of us remains. Go anywhere in the station, when it is quiet, and just listen. After a while, you will hear the echoes of all our conversations, every thought and word we've exchanged. Long after we are gone .. our voices will linger in these walls for as long as this place remains. But I will admit .. that the part of me that is going .. will very much miss the part of you that is staying.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Sinclair Conspiracy Theory.....

                      Originally posted by LytaaaarGh


                      Jeffrery Sinclair states in S1 that his family have been fighter pilots back to the battle of Britain (Ascertaining 2 things...first that they were warriors and second that they, at some point, were British).

                      Sorry to pick more holes but the Raf regiments based in Britain at the time were made up from a multitude of nations across europe and also Usa and Oz. Not to mention the fact that you assume the sinclairs were on the side of the British.
                      Last edited by Vir; 05-16-2004, 10:23 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Sorry to pick more holes but the Raf regiments based in Britain at the time were made up from a multitude of nations across europe and also Usa and Oz. Not to mention the fact that you assume the sinclairs were on the side of the British.

                        In Answer from: Zocala Today


                        1940.
                        July-October. The German Luftwaffe begin a campaign of air attacks over the skies of Great Britain. One of the pilots fighting in the Royal Air Force is an ancestor of future Babylon 5 governor, Commander Jeffrey Sinclair.
                        Ascertaining he was indeed British and also on the Bristish side
                        Last edited by LytaaaarGh; 05-17-2004, 05:20 AM.
                        One up for the angry Teep

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by LytaaaarGh
                          In Answer from: Zocala Today
                          ...
                          Ascertaining he was indeed British and also on the Bristish side
                          Actually, the quote doesn't say that Sinclair was British, just that he fought "in the RAF." The Few included a large number of non-Britains - more canadians flew in RAF uniforms in the BoB than flew in RCAF uniforms. In all, it seems about 1/4 to 1/5 of The Few were not British, even though they flew for the RAF by and large.
                          I believe that when we leave a place, part of it goes with us and part of us remains. Go anywhere in the station, when it is quiet, and just listen. After a while, you will hear the echoes of all our conversations, every thought and word we've exchanged. Long after we are gone .. our voices will linger in these walls for as long as this place remains. But I will admit .. that the part of me that is going .. will very much miss the part of you that is staying.

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                          • #14
                            Ahhh sneaky ok - i overlooked that. So i conceed..
                            However, it doesn't really change the plausability of the conspiracy (and Canada might even be a better lineage alla Nova Scotia )
                            One up for the angry Teep

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                            • #15
                              For Sinclair to turn back to human, go to Earth, screw around with one or a few females, and then go back to Valen and Minbar sounds out of character to me. Even if he had a serious relationship and not just some R&R as I jokingly suggested.

                              I think it's much more likely that he went looking for Catherine Sakai in those missing years.

                              I also think it's unlikely that a man of the 23th century would be comfortable living with the limitations of 13th century Earth...

                              So I don't really think it's likely Sinclair visited Earth when he was Valen.

                              Everything I remember from B5 about Valen indicates that he went away and no one saw him die (thus the legend about his possible return), I imagine that he went somewhere to live peacefully with Catherine Sakai after he found her (the comics "In Valen's Name" hint at that, I haven't read them but saw the summary at the Lurker's Guide pages) and died in obscurity.
                              He knew that he had to die away from anyone after all...
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