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  • #61
    I think the problem with the lack of extras was most noticeable during the first segment. When Burke created the cathedral of fire there should have been reactions from other people on the station. There were flames surrounding the station, and something like that doesn't pass by unnoticed.

    The Sheridan part really felt connected to the original series. The Lochley segment reminded me of a lesser B5 episode.

    I was really pleased by the special effects. I have always watched B5 on a regular 29" TV, and this was the first time I got to see it on a larger screen (front projector with a 7ft wide screen). I must say the effects looked amazing, even on a screen of that size. Hopefully we will get to see more battle footage as well as more extras in future installments.

    While there were healthy amount of extras on the disc, an audio commentary would have been great.

    Marius

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    • #62
      [QUOTE=Shabaz;40302]Making fully digital photo-real humans as extras would be way, way more expensive than just hiring some extras, something that apparently already reached above their budget. There is a big difference between using CG set work, and using digital actors. [QUOTE]

      I simply meant cloning the actors digitally to increase their numbers..
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      • #63
        Originally posted by B5_Obsessed View Post
        Originally posted by Shabaz View Post
        Making fully digital photo-real humans as extras would be way, way more expensive than just hiring some extras, something that apparently already reached above their budget. There is a big difference between using CG set work, and using digital actors.
        I simply meant cloning the actors digitally to increase their numbers..
        Oh, you meant crowd duplication shots. When you said "virtual extras", I assumed you meant something else, sorry.

        However, I don't think this would be quite that simple, and furthermore it is usually used for really big crowd shots, where I get the sense that Joe N and others were missing the kind of "extras as set dressing" approach of the original series. If you want that, and extras getting pretty close to camera, just having some people as extras is probably still the easiest. Anything that gets close to camera would either need to be a really high quality digital model (not really feasible on anything but a film budget), or shot as a seperate green screen element and then spliced in. The latter, because of how carefully the marks and angles would be controlled, would be tricky, and wouldn't really be appropriate for the usual "filling out the shot" way the extras were used in B5, I think.

        I would love to see some big money shots of the promenade or an other crowded area of B5 in future TLT though. For something like that it could be appropriate and feasible, and quite neat. So I'm with you on that.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by raw_bean View Post
          Confirmed by whom?
          TLT is officially announced by Warner Home Video Germany. Release-Date: 24th August 2007. It can be pre-ordered in many shops, for example Amazon.de:
          http://www.amazon.de/dp/B000RGHYOM/

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Falcon View Post
            TLT is officially announced by Warner Home Video Germany. Release-Date: 24th August 2007. It can be pre-ordered in many shops, for example Amazon.de:
            http://www.amazon.de/dp/B000RGHYOM/
            Heh, Lost Tales has become Forgotten Legends I see. While not as extreme as some of the previous examples, WB Germany still seems to have their creative translation skills.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Shabaz View Post
              Heh, Lost Tales has become Forgotten Legends I see. While not as extreme as some of the previous examples, WB Germany still seems to have their creative translation skills.
              You're right. It's not the best translation, but it could be much worse. In comparison with some titles WB Germany created in the past, this one is acceptable. (e.g. "Thirdspace" was translated to "the gate to the third dimension")

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              • #67
                I think 'Forgotten Legends' is kind of charming, actually.

                Jan
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Jan View Post
                  Homeland Security was puzzled and scanned it several times...
                  AAAAH, gotta love the Nightwatch guys, hm?
                  What's up Drakh?

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Falcon View Post
                    (e.g. "Thirdspace" was translated to "the gate to the third dimension")
                    Wow, is that the one where you can move up and down?

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by RMcD View Post
                      Wow, is that the one where you can move up and down?
                      For those who remember, there once was a very good Simpsons-episode about the 3D-topic in one of their Halloween-specials...!!!

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                      • #71
                        Some random thoughts after just having watched TLT.

                        It *feels* more like the original B5 than any of the previous TV movies, very much the start of a B5 Season 6, it's leagues ahead of LOTR.

                        It's not really epic in anyway, which may be a turn off for some fans and extremely dialog heavy in places.

                        The acting and writing are excellent though, IMHO JMS has certainly improved as a writer since B5 ended, the dialog seems far more natural.

                        The SFX are certainly a generation ahead of B5, particularly the use of virtual sets, although there was something about the rendering of the station which didn't seem quite right, although I couldn't put my finger on why.

                        The music is up the Chris' usual standard, the only bit I thought was tonally off was the organ music, which came across as a bit "Hammer House Of Horror/Phantom Of The Opera".

                        I appreciate that these are supposed to be small stories, but I hope any future installments broaden the canvas a bit. Well worth a purchase, hopefully the first of many discs

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                        • #72
                          Nice review, yeah...I think the whole angle of the DVD was to cater for exisiting fans...it's not for non B5 folk, but it might attract casual fans of the series who want to see what the updated Graphics etc look like in the B5 universe. The CG really is very well done.

                          I really do hope this is the first of the series, it definatly felt more like a pilot for a new series though, so lets get those sales levels through the roof and get some more in the can.

                          What are the odds on Warners giving the fundng to film say, 3 back to back? That would kinda make a little more sense, for mine....

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                          • #73
                            Well, I just finished watching everything on the disc, and I liked it alot. Perhaps my critical sense is a little subdued under the thrill of seeing some new B5, but so what.

                            As to the lack of station extras in the Lockley segment... I noticed in one shot, there's a sign behind Lockley that says "Secure Area." It seems to me that there wouldn't be a whole lot of people wandering through those particular hallways.

                            The one thing that I did notice and get bugged by was when Lockley was showing the priest the cold spot in the hallway, a Minbari walks right by and doesn't seem to react to it at all. Even with their stoicism, I would like to think there would have been some kind of reaction.
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by frulad View Post
                              The one thing that I did notice and get bugged by was when Lockley was showing the priest the cold spot in the hallway, a Minbari walks right by and doesn't seem to react to it at all. Even with their stoicism, I would like to think there would have been some kind of reaction.
                              Yeah, I noted that as well, and then was astonished to find out that they were in the brig area. What was a religious caste Minbari doing in the brig area, and why were there no security people there? I could see a guard walking by, and even one walking by without reacting (they would have experienced it before). Was the passerby a Minbari just to avoid having to create a new uniform?
                              I believe that when we leave a place, part of it goes with us and part of us remains. Go anywhere in the station, when it is quiet, and just listen. After a while, you will hear the echoes of all our conversations, every thought and word we've exchanged. Long after we are gone .. our voices will linger in these walls for as long as this place remains. But I will admit .. that the part of me that is going .. will very much miss the part of you that is staying.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by grumbler View Post
                                Yeah, I noted that as well, and then was astonished to find out that they were in the brig area.
                                Where did ever get the idea it was the brig? All we are told is that the prisoner is Blue sector and there is a sign noting where a prisoner is being held. My vote is for a makeshift cell.

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