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  • Babylon5fan07
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    I was very fortunate to find the 3rd book Out of Darkness at a used book store in Placerville which is 30 miles east of Sacramento for people not familiar to Sactown but I was able to pay just $5 for the book so before anyone goes to pay the full $50 and up for the book they should look around at used book stores first in there area and you never know. I found my copy on a whim out of the blue and trust me I didn't think twice. I just saw amazon carrying up to 10 users carrying the book as little as $41 or so and up just type in Babylon 5-Out of Darkness..hurry up just in case the price goes up. To me though the Centauri Trilogy is 100% worth it because I honestly believe Peter David truely stays with the characters as they were in the show. Londo, Sheridan, everyone stays true to the characters. Highly Recommended IMHO.\

    Alex

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  • SmileOfTheShadow
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    Originally posted by RMcD View Post
    The main impression I took away from this book was feeling disappointed about the portrayal of Morden. Morden to me was always a sadistic, nasty piece of work with a giant ego who secretly got a kick out of doing the Shadows' bidding because he believed heart and soul in their philosophy and went along with it willingly.

    There was never a hint in the show of the nice, self-sacrificing Morden we see in this novel, even when the Shadows were gone and he appeared as a ghost in Day of the Dead. It didn't feel like the same character at all to me. That said, it has been ten years since I read it, so I may be mis-remembering.
    It's like Anakin!!! haha

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  • RMcD
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    Yeah, that one, and the middle technomage one, Summoning Light, both seem to be going for ú40+ (=~ 80USD) used, at least through the sellers on the UK Amazon site (one based in the US is charging ú241 for a used copy of Summoning Light!) At those prices I'd be afraid to open them in case I spilled something.. The others are readily available, but it's not much fun setting out to read two thirds of a trilogy. I'm going to have to think about how badly I want to read them, and weigh it against the odds of them being reprinted at some point.

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  • NotSoWize
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    The only book in the trilogies that is really tough to get is Out of Darkness -- the final Centauri novel. You can get it if you're willing to pay $30+ on eBay, but that is about the only way to find it these days. All of the other books are available (at least they were the last time I looked) on Amazon etc. I own all of the "JMS approved" books except OoD and I'll probably break down and buy it once I've finished reading the Psi-Corps trilogy.

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  • RMcD
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    Damn, I really need to get hold of the Technomage and Centauri trilogies. I didn't read them at the time because I was so put off by the amateurishness of the first batch of B5 novels (I think someone called London Mollari even puts in an appearance towards the end of Blood Oath ).

    I wish they weren't so hard to obtain now.. I was lucky enough to find the whole telepath trilogy in a batch on ebay, and it seriously forced me to revise my opinions about tie-in novels, but I think the others (or particular volumes at least) are scarcer still.

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  • NotSoWize
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    I really liked the Technomage trilogy by Ms. Cavelos and had no problem with her characterization of Morden. Rather than presenting him as a tragic figure, I felt she kept that open as a possible reason for his actions, but when you finally got to the heart of his character, he chose to do what he is doing for the Shadows. I will start the Centauri trilogy soon and I just hope it is close to as good as the Technomage series.

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  • raw_bean
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    To clarify, it was the mis-characterisation of Londo in whichever book of the trilogy that bothered me more. As well as the way it ret-conned The Geometry of Shadows episode a bit too much. Suggesting that 30 seconds after the fairly pat and happy (for B5 anyway!) ending of the episode there's a huge disaster concerning the characters we've just been watching doesn't sit very well with me.

    But I think she's a great writer, and as I say I think they're the best written of the B5 tie-in novels in all other ways, so I can overlook this one thing.

    EDIT: As for the reasons you liked Cavelos' interpretation of Morden, aren't those supposed to be the reasons we feel for and like Londo? That was the problem for me: she transferred the tragic sympathy the series made us feel for Londo to Morden instead, and for the duration of the visit to B5 completed the role reversal by putting Londo in the purely villainous role!
    Last edited by raw_bean; 04-13-2007, 08:18 AM.

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  • Garibaldi's Hair
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    Originally posted by raw_bean View Post
    I really liked A Shadow Within, but I do agree with you on this point. It carried over into the Technomage trilogy, which I felt were the best written of all the B5 books, yet had the most glaring moments of 'false' characterisation for me, when Morden was portrayed as a tragic and sympathetic character while Londo was portrayed as overly sadistic and murderous even for the lowest point of his arc. Wrong way 'round!
    Probably inevitable given that the author was the same. I have to confess I forgave the book for its approach to Morden precisely because I like the fundamental idea that the face of the Shadows was out there bringing destruction and chaos to the galaxy not because he wanted to, believed in it or got a kick out of it but because he didn't think that he had any other options.

    Unfortunately, the TV Morden seems to be having far too much fun to be that sort of tragic figure - and he certainly gave a good impression of a guy who believed in what he was doing during the tea party in Z'ha'dum.
    Last edited by Garibaldi's Hair; 04-13-2007, 04:29 AM.

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  • raw_bean
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    Originally posted by RMcD View Post
    The main impression I took away from this book was feeling disappointed about the portrayal of Morden. Morden to me was always a sadistic, nasty piece of work with a giant ego who secretly got a kick out of doing the Shadows' bidding because he believed heart and soul in their philosophy and went along with it willingly.

    There was never a hint in the show of the nice, self-sacrificing Morden we see in this novel, even when the Shadows were gone and he appeared as a ghost in Day of the Dead. It didn't feel like the same character at all to me. That said, it has been ten years since I read it, so I may be mis-remembering.
    I really liked A Shadow Within, but I do agree with you on this point. It carried over into the Technomage trilogy, which I felt were the best written of all the B5 books, yet had the most glaring moments of 'false' characterisation for me, when Morden was portrayed as a tragic and sympathetic character while Londo was portrayed as overly sadistic and murderous even for the lowest point of his arc. Wrong way 'round!

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  • Garibaldi's Hair
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    Originally posted by SmileOfTheShadow View Post
    Well, the books star Sheridan..so I doubt they could be written before the show even aired.
    Well, I did say I hadn't read them. I was obviously only half remembering what I had read about them.

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  • RMcD
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    The main impression I took away from this book was feeling disappointed about the portrayal of Morden. Morden to me was always a sadistic, nasty piece of work with a giant ego who secretly got a kick out of doing the Shadows' bidding because he believed heart and soul in their philosophy and went along with it willingly.

    There was never a hint in the show of the nice, self-sacrificing Morden we see in this novel, even when the Shadows were gone and he appeared as a ghost in Day of the Dead. It didn't feel like the same character at all to me. That said, it has been ten years since I read it, so I may be mis-remembering.

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  • vacantlook
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    Originally posted by Babylon5fan07
    I really thought the Centauri Trilogy was by far one of the best novels ever written.. the fact that the Crusade series was pulled off the air you actually get to learn more about the technomages....
    The techno-mage trilogy goes even further than the Centauri trilogy in giving more information about the techno-mages. I don't know which of the books are still available out there on the market, but it's worth seeing what you can find if you liked the Centuari trilogy.

    ...Now you say which book explains more about Morden and Sheridan?
    The Shadow Within

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  • Babylon5fan07
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    Originally posted by SmileOfTheShadow View Post
    Everyone's always told me just to read books 7 and 9 of the Del books and then the trilogies...and I didn't listen, slowly making my way through 1-6, which were all pretty much stand alone stories that didn't feel like it fit the tone of the B5 universe. It felt like all the generic star trek novels that came out, but slapping on B5 characters.

    I've been reading this book the past couple of days, and it's finally a plot line I care about, and the characters are done right as well. It's basically the story of Anna Sheridan and Morden getting trapped by the Shadows, and John Sheridan's first command experience on the Agamenmon.

    I really liked the main story, psi-corps involvement, and how Morden came into fruition. It was really well done. I don't want to spoil too much in case someone wants to read it and hasn't.


    The b-story was so-so...and was a generic "insubordination not liking the new captain" kinda deal, which really the only payoff was the reaction at the end when John found out Anna was "dead."

    The Babylon 5 parts were a little forced and I thought felt like they popped out of nowhere. The story could have worked just as well without Sinclair, Delenn or Kosh in it, but I think the novels wanted to at least include the station at some point for the readers.

    Still, this book was definitely worth reading for that backstory. That's my little mini-review of it. Anyone else's thoughts?
    I really thought the Centauri Trilogy was by far one of the best novels ever written.. the fact that the Crusade series was pulled off the air you actually get to learn more about the technomages and of course the Drakh with the keeper and Londo. I started reading the Psi Corps trilogy but never got the chance to finish. Now you say which book explains more about Morden and Sheridan?

    I haven't gotten to the other B5 novels myself but overall really they really are worth reading? Please give me ideas and explanations without spoilers..I'm very curious.

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  • BabylonRebel
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    The first batch of the books were written before the writers had seen Sheridan in action, presumably they had access to the scripts and the writer's bible. I noticed in 'Voices' Sheridan is a bit of a secondary character, most of the action is from Garibaldi and Talia's POV. Sheridan just sits behind his desk filing paperwork for the most part.

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  • SmileOfTheShadow
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    Originally posted by Garibaldi's Hair View Post
    To be fair to the writers of the early books, weren't they written before the show had even aired, so they had nothing to work from as far as the characters were concerned?

    Of course that does not excuse bad writing (only ever read 7 & 9 of the original series of books, so can't comment) but would certainly explain the more generic feel to them, and the sense that they hadn't "got" the characters.
    Well, the books star Sheridan..so I doubt they could be written before the show even aired.

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