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  • #31
    Originally posted by KoshN View Post
    the scene near the end of "Patterns of the Soul" when even under pressure from IPX, he deletes the part of his report that talks about the discovery of the lost tribe of Dureena's people
    I think the point you make is that the characters do much better when the series is seen in the proper sequence. I would absolutely agree. Eilerson's deletion in "Patterns" seemed way out of character - unless it's in the middle of the series. And some of the eight gray uniform episodes work better in sequence. Path of Sorrows, for example, was good in the DVD sequence, but is far better after you've gotten to know the characters a little bit. It packs a much greater punch at that point. Same goes for the Well of Forever, one of my personal favorites.

    Still, the show had its share of wonderful moments. My particular favorite is in "Memory of War" (I think) when Dureena brings back Galen's staff from the ruins. No words (that I remember). None needed. Just looks that speak volumes. That's when you know a series is going well - when they don't even need dialogue for you to know what they're thinking.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Hal_10000 View Post
      I think the point you make is that the characters do much better when the series is seen in the proper sequence. I would absolutely agree. Eilerson's deletion in "Patterns" seemed way out of character - unless it's in the middle of the series.
      A little past the middle, IIRC.


      Originally posted by Hal_10000 View Post
      And some of the eight gray uniform episodes work better in sequence. Path of Sorrows, for example, was good in the DVD sequence, but is far better after you've gotten to know the characters a little bit. It packs a much greater punch at that point. Same goes for the Well of Forever, one of my personal favorites.
      I've seen all of the episodes so many times that they all work well for me. I practically have 'em memorized. Initially, I didn't much like The Well of Forever, The Needs of Earth or Ruling from the Tomb because nothing much happened in them. Now, I enjoy them all for their character moments.


      Originally posted by Hal_10000 View Post
      Still, the show had its share of wonderful moments. My particular favorite is in "Memory of War" (I think) when Dureena brings back Galen's staff from the ruins. No words (that I remember). None needed. Just looks that speak volumes. That's when you know a series is going well - when they don't even need dialogue for you to know what they're thinking.
      You're right on all counts.
      Mac Breck (KoshN)
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      JMS and we fans are collectively Charlie Brown.
      Babylon 5 is the football.

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      • #33
        I have some wonderful photos somewhere from 'Memory of War,' from when Carried Dobro came out of makeup completely covered in grime from head to toe. You would have thought she'd be less than happy about it, but she seemed to be having a hell of a lot of fun that afternoon.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Joe Nazzaro View Post
          I have some wonderful photos somewhere from 'Memory of War,' from when Carrie Dobro came out of makeup completely covered in grime from head to toe.
          Well, dig 'em up!


          Originally posted by Joe Nazzaro View Post
          You would have thought she'd be less than happy about it,
          Yeah, especially after what she said in the commentary about having to show up several hours early to get all her makeup done, and all Peter Woodward had to do was breeze in 5 minutes ahead of time and get his head buffed. lol She seemed to be a good sport.



          Originally posted by Joe Nazzaro View Post
          but she seemed to be having a hell of a lot of fun that afternoon.
          I take it you were on the set?
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          • #35
            I'll try to dig out those photos sometime; mind you, this is before the real advent of digital cameras where it's so much easier to find things now. So far, I've managed to get several thousand negatives in the same bunch of boxes, so I consider that an improvement.

            Actually, I think Carrie was exaggerating a little bit as far as Peter's makeup was concerned. I seem to recall that was the morning that he had to get a very large prosthetic piece put on his shoulder- there's a very quick shot where we're supposed to see organic circuitry poking out of his shoulder, something that I presume would have been explored in the future, but the director (Tony Dow?) only did a very quick shot, if at all. Maybe it was just as well; I think the guys at Optic Nerve weren't entirely happy with the prosthetic piece and asked me not to publish any of them at the time.

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            • #36
              I think Dureena could be my favorite character in all of Crusade; Carrie portrayed her wonderfully. I think I might have a thing for strong and sassy women; I always liked Na'Toth (Julie Caitlin Brown's version, that is) too. Not being able to see how Dureena was going to develop and change over the course of the show is one of my biggest let-downs from Crusade's cancellation.

              Originally posted by Joe Nazzaro
              Maybe it was just as well; I think the guys at Optic Nerve weren't entirely happy with the prosthetic piece and asked me not to publish any of them at the time.
              If my memory serves of what is visible in the shot, I don't blame them for being dissatisfied with the prosthetic. What I remember of it looked blocky and clunky and unrealistic for something that's supposed to be a piece of highly advanced, sleek technology.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Joe Nazzaro View Post
                I'll try to dig out those photos sometime; mind you, this is before the real advent of digital cameras where it's so much easier to find things now. So far, I've managed to get several thousand negatives in the same bunch of boxes, so I consider that an improvement.
                Been there done that. I have all my negs, slides and prints in one area, and organized. At least I don't have to look all over the house for the stuff. I had my own darkroom in the house, and did B&W darkroom work for 25 years. Gave it all up a couple of years ago and went digital.



                Originally posted by Joe Nazzaro View Post
                Actually, I think Carrie was exaggerating a little bit as far as Peter's makeup was concerned.
                She was talking about his usual time in makeup, not that one time he got a prosthetic piece (The Memory of War), and she was joking around.



                Originally posted by Joe Nazzaro View Post
                I seem to recall that was the morning that he had to get a very large prosthetic piece put on his shoulder- there's a very quick shot where we're supposed to see organic circuitry poking out of his shoulder, something that I presume would have been explored in the future, but the director (Tony Dow?) only did a very quick shot, if at all. Maybe it was just as well; I think the guys at Optic Nerve weren't entirely happy with the prosthetic piece and asked me not to publish any of them at the time.
                I wasn't happy with it either. Looked too much like plastic LEGO bits stuck to his back, and looked far, far too crude for mage tech. IMHO, they came up with a better description/look in the Technomage trilogy of novels. I wish they'd use that trilogy as a basis for determining the look onscreen in the future.
                Mac Breck (KoshN)
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                Warner Brothers is Lucy.
                JMS and we fans are collectively Charlie Brown.
                Babylon 5 is the football.

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                • #38
                  I'm kinda hoping that something will be done with the Memory of the Shadows script which follows from Crusade IIRC. But since JMS sold it, its up to the owner of the rights.

                  Mike
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by qstor View Post
                    But since JMS sold it ...
                    Just a minor nitpick, but I was under the impression that he wrote the script for TMoS as part of the process of the producers attempting to bring a B5 movie to the screen.

                    Unlike The Changeling, where JMS wrote a script independently which was then purchased by Imagine, the would-be producers of TMos put up the money to buy (from JMS) the option to make a B5 movie, and commissioned JMS to write the script for it.

                    When it became clear that they couldn't get the money together (and after JMS had already extended the option once without further payment) they allowed the option to lapse, leaving the movie dead in the water.

                    As the script was written as a commission ownership of, and rights to, said movie based on said script lie with those doing the commissioning, not the one doing the writing.

                    JMS is however free to publish the script as a script if he wants to.

                    As I understand it ...

                    The Optimist: The glass is half full
                    The Pessimist: The glass is half empty
                    The Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be

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