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  • Jan
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    The difference being that in the case of Crusade, TNT found out that their audience wasn't increased *after* they'd contracted for Crusade.

    What JMS replied to somebody on FB was:
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  • LateArrival
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    Originally posted by Dodger View Post
    Sounds to me like they would rather spend the money on some cheep superhero show rather than a show like Babylon 5. They have kicked the can down the road.

    This seems like an echo of history (almost) repeating itself in a pattern similar to TNT in the 90s. Wasn't one of the issues then that TNT's regular viewers weren't watching B5, and B5 viewers weren't watching TNT's other shows? Am crossing fingers for a potential B5 reboot pilot in... 2023... but if the CW's core viewers are only interested in discount superhero shows, and if potential B5 viewers aren't interested in the CW's traditional programming, their Suits would tend to stick with the familiar rather than Something New. Plus taking risks and trying Something New is probably not ideal when the company is up for grabs. Though if JMS had the B5 command staff played by wrestlers, perhaps the former SF channel might be interested?

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  • Dodger
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    Sounds to me like they would rather spend the money on some cheep superhero show rather than a show like
    Babylon 5. They have kicked the can down the road.
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  • Jan
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    News from JMS. It's not what we'd hoped, but not all bad.
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    Originally posted by JMS
    Today, about an hour ago, Deadline Hollywood announced the slate of pilot scripts being picked up for production by The CW. Babylon 5 was not on that list.

    When a pilot script is not picked up to production, 99.999% of the time, that’s the end of the road for the project, the script is dead.

    However: shortly before that piece was published, I received a call from Mark Pedowitz, President of The CW. (I should mention that Mark is a great guy and a long-time fan of B5. He worked for Warners when the show was first airing, and always made sure we got him copies of the episodes before they aired because he didn’t want to wait to see what happened next.)

    Calling the pilot “a damned fine script,” he said he was taking the highly unusual step of rolling the project and the pilot script into next year, keeping B5 in active development while the dust settles on the sale of the CW.

    Here’s the bottom line:

    Yesterday, Babylon 5 was in active development at the CW and Warner Bros. for fall 2022.

    Today, Babylon 5 is in active development at the CW and Warner Bros. for fall 2023.
    https://www.patreon.com/posts/62084557

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  • Jan
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    Originally posted by Ta'Lon View Post

    So let us hope that he will make an totally terrible opening sequence and then a glorious story.
    Oh - I gather you didn't like the Lost Tales? Me, I'd've *loved* to have seen more done with an actual budget and more of Prince Vintari.

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  • Ta'Lon
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    Originally posted by Jan View Post

    This is true. And yet...I got a taste of B5 on a big screen when JMS showed the opening sequence to the Lost Tales at a con in NY back then. It. Was. GLORIOUS. Yes, I know it's the story that matters but this really was great.
    So let us hope that he will make an totally terrible opening sequence and then a glorious story.

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  • Jan
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    Originally posted by Ubik View Post

    I for one feel no strong need for a B5 movie. TV is definitely the preferable medium for something that shines primarily because of its long form story telling.
    This is true. And yet...I got a taste of B5 on a big screen when JMS showed the opening sequence to the Lost Tales at a con in NY back then. It. Was. GLORIOUS. Yes, I know it's the story that matters but this really was great.

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  • Kraig
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    I got an email from b5books.com yesterday:

    Reboot status as of January 19, 2022
    The pilot script has been submitted to the CW network. As soon as they approve, production will begin. The timing of this lines up with JMS's previous prediction of the timeline: Pilot shoot early spring. Full production starting mid-summer with an air date Fall, 2022. So exciting!

    JMS Statement on the Babylon 5 Reboot
    The network understands the uniqueness of Babylon 5 and is giving me a great deal of latitude with the storytelling. As noted in the announcement, this is a reboot from the ground up rather than a continuation, for several reasons.

    Heraclitus wrote “You cannot step in the same river twice, for the river has changed, and you have changed.”

    In the years since B5, I’ve done a ton of other TV shows and movies, adding an equal number of tools to my toolbox, all of which I can bring to bear on one singular question: if I were creating Babylon 5 today, for the first time, knowing what I now know as a writer, what would it look like? How would it use all the storytelling tools and technological resources available in 2021 that were not on hand then?
    How can it be used to reflect the world in which we live, and the questions we are asking and confronting every day?

    Fans regularly point out how prescient the show was and is of our current world; it would be fun to take a shot at looking further down the road.

    So we will not be retelling the same story in the same way because of what Heraclitus said about the river. There would be no fun and no surprises. Better to go the way of Westworld or Battlestar Galactica where you take the original elements that are evergreens and put them in a blender with a ton of new, challenging ideas, to create something fresh yet familiar.

    To those asking why not just do a continuation, for a network series like this, it can’t be done because over half our cast are still stubbornly on the other side of the Rim.

    How do you telling continuing story of our original Londo without the original Vir? Or G’Kar? How do you tell Sheridan’s story without Delenn? Or the story of B5 without Franklin? Garibaldi? Zack?

    The original Babylon 5 was ridiculously innovative: the first to use CGI to create ships and characters, and among the very first to shoot widescreen with a vigorous 5.1 mix. Most of all, for the first time, Babylon 5 introduced viewers accustomed to episodic television to the concept of a five-year arc with a pre-planned beginning, middle and end…creating a brand new paradigm for television storytelling that has subsequently become the norm.

    That tradition for innovation will continue in this new iteration, and I hope to create additional new forms of storytelling that will further push the television medium to the edge of what’s possible.

    Let me conclude by just saying how supportive and enthusiastic everyone at the CW has been and is being with this project. They understand the unique position Babylon 5 occupies both in television and with its legions of fans, and are doing everything they can to ensure the maximum in creative freedom, a new story that will bring in new viewers while honoring all that has come before.
    Onward!

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  • LateArrival
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    Originally posted by Truth66 View Post
    If the Babylon 5 reboot ends up being "FAR better than the original", I'm sure all would agree that would be incredibly awesome. If that ends up becoming true, I would hope that Warner Bros. promotes the series far better than the original series.

    Nostalgia aside, a reboot could be significantly better with JMS at the helm. He has said on numerous occasions that (paraphrasing) as a writer/director/etc he has More Tools In His Toolbox now than he did in the B5 days. Certainly the effects will have the advantage of thirty years of improvements, but the potential for great storytelling should be off the charts. Hopefully this will get it's chance and go the full length of the arc without any hiccups.

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  • Ubik
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    Originally posted by Truth66 View Post

    If the Babylon 5 reboot ends up being "FAR better than the original", I'm sure all would agree that would be incredibly awesome. If that ends up becoming true, I would hope that Warner Bros. promotes the series far better than the original series.

    This may be utopia thinking, but if the new series ends up being FAR better than the original, hopefully that would finally lead to a Babylon 5 Motion Picture.
    I for one feel no strong need for a B5 movie. TV is definitely the preferable medium for something that shines primarily because of its long form story telling.

    The existing TV movies probably tell you all you need to know.

    I think the only reason we have yearned for a movie is because, until recently, it was the only possible avenue left open to JMS!

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  • Jan
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    Originally posted by Truth66 View Post
    This may be utopia thinking, but if the new series ends up being FAR better than the original, hopefully that would finally lead to a Babylon 5 Motion Picture.[/SIZE]
    As JMS often says, "Where it it written that our dreams have to be small?"

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  • Truth66
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    Originally posted by Jan View Post

    That's one point I always make, too. The only one I recall (that I've seen, anyway) is the Dark Shadows '91 prime time show. And it was FAR better than the original, Even allowing for differences in budget and prime time vs soap opera.
    If the Babylon 5 reboot ends up being "FAR better than the original", I'm sure all would agree that would be incredibly awesome. If that ends up becoming true, I would hope that Warner Bros. promotes the series far better than the original series.

    This may be utopia thinking, but if the new series ends up being FAR better than the original, hopefully that would finally lead to a Babylon 5 Motion Picture.
    Last edited by Truth66; 01-20-2022, 12:18 PM.

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  • Jan
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    Originally posted by AstroBoy View Post
    One difference that this has from most if not all of the other reboots done to date weren't done by the original creator. the B5 reboot is.
    That's one point I always make, too. The only one I recall (that I've seen, anyway) is the Dark Shadows '91 prime time show. And it was FAR better than the original, Even allowing for differences in budget and prime time vs soap opera.

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  • AstroBoy
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    Originally posted by Truth66 View Post
    Ever since the announcement was made about the reboot of Babylon 5, my buddy and I have discussed it quite often. Sure we would love to see the reboot, but we’re also very skeptical.


    Most reboots have a tendency to be flops, whether it be television or the big screen. Most people know that we’re in an age of reboots because, quite frankly it seems that the movie/television industry is running out of original ideas.


    Many people point to the success of the Battlestar Galactica reboot series. I think it was the exception because they were essentially starting with a clean slate. The original series only had a small number of episodes. The reboot basically used the concepts of the limited original series to produce the reboot.


    How does one reboot/rewrite a classic? How would a reboot/rewrite of classics like Gone With The Wind, The Wizard of Oz, The Lord of the Rings, etc work?


    Don’t get me wrong, we’ll definitely watch the B5 reboot, as we’re pleased that JMS is involved and knowing that the series will be done right. We’re just skeptical of its success based on what I’ve outlined.
    I would put the reboot of Lost in Space on Netflix in that category as well. It was well made, took the concept of the original series (a family on the way to Alpha Centauri that goes sideways) and enhances it and changes it up in unexpected ways.

    One difference that this has from most if not all of the other reboots done to date weren't done by the original creator. the B5 reboot is.

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  • Truth66
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    Ever since the announcement was made about the reboot of Babylon 5, my buddy and I have discussed it quite often. Sure we would love to see the reboot, but we’re also very skeptical.


    Most reboots have a tendency to be flops, whether it be television or the big screen. Most people know that we’re in an age of reboots because, quite frankly it seems that the movie/television industry is running out of original ideas.


    Many people point to the success of the Battlestar Galactica reboot series. I think it was the exception because they were essentially starting with a clean slate. The original series only had a small number of episodes. The reboot basically used the concepts of the limited original series to produce the reboot.


    How does one reboot/rewrite a classic? How would a reboot/rewrite of classics like Gone With The Wind, The Wizard of Oz, The Lord of the Rings, etc work?


    Don’t get me wrong, we’ll definitely watch the B5 reboot, as we’re pleased that JMS is involved and knowing that the series will be done right. We’re just skeptical of its success based on what I’ve outlined.

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