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  • #31
    Holidays are over. When is the next viewing?
    Susan Ivanova, "I'll be in the car."

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    • #32
      L is sick at the moment looney we'll get to it when we can.
      "There are no good wars. War is always the worst possible way to resolve differences. It degenerates and corrupts both sides to ever more sordid levels of existence, in their need to gain an advantage over the enemy. Those actively involved in combat are almost always damaged goods for the rest of their lives. If their bodies don't bear scars, their minds do, ofttimes both. Many have said it before, but it can't be said to enough, war is hell. "

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      • #33
        aaaaand we're back, L was over ay mine yesterday watching Dr Who and Her dark materials so i suggested i coud pop in with season 4 to hers today
        Conflict of interest
        L liked that Garibaldi got a hug, they're not very touchy feely so it's nice, less nice was the shadowy figures comments upon his disposability. She also noted we haven't seen Londo in a while (we do see him next episode though so there's that). Commented several times that zach said they worked 24/7 for 3 years and seh wondered did they never sleep. Since the setup for "voice of the resistance" she noted Mrs Tachyon from The Terry PRatchett Johnny books. When Garibaldi had to give up his gun she noted how similar to modern guns the were. Also said that Zach hadn't appeared to be that close to Garibaldi. Minimal commentery re Lise though apart from "3 times youve broken my heart"


        Rumors bargains and lies
        Much less commentary on this episode, more general discussion between us (and I took rather poorer notes) L did enjoy the humour in both the scene with Sheridan winding up the league of non aligned worlds and the conversation between Ivanova and a zathras (one of the zathri perhaps? what's the plural of zathras). ths counterpointed nicely with the darker tone set for the mission Delenn was on, negotiations with Neroon and the attempted poisoning. There were also comments on the expressions on the faces of the religious cast when Leineer was explaining how he came across the canister. finally L was wondering if neroon had betrayed Delenn after all. Oh and we did get to see both Londo "and G'kar as well" so happier L.
        "There are no good wars. War is always the worst possible way to resolve differences. It degenerates and corrupts both sides to ever more sordid levels of existence, in their need to gain an advantage over the enemy. Those actively involved in combat are almost always damaged goods for the rest of their lives. If their bodies don't bear scars, their minds do, ofttimes both. Many have said it before, but it can't be said to enough, war is hell. "

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        • #34
          CONFLICT OF INTEREST is most interesting to me when Garibaldi doesn't answer the call. On the whole not one of my favorite episodes, but very solid

          Surprised there wasn't much commentary on RUMOURS, BARGAINS, AND LIES. Sheridan's move is so brilliant. And I just love Neroon. I wish he was in more total episodes.
          Susan Ivanova, "I'll be in the car."

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          • #35
            So i'm writing this late sunday evenign when we watched the episodes on tuesday, ergo my recall is somewhat spotty. I'll do my best and L did help me out earlier
            Moments of transition
            Much amusement at bester interactions with Zach. I always enjoyed the humor that both JMS and Walter put in to the character, it makes his unspeakably evil acts all the more contrasted. Bester is, amazingly the "B" arc, perhaps this episode is a double A side? Poor lyta. L did note that Zach seemed very familiar with Lyta, hand on shoulder etc. She felt that neroon ws manipulated in to this by Delenn and this was clever/ L doesn't like delenn, she has expressed this sentiment a few times. She thought that bester might do things to accelerate the obtaining of Lyta's body. She also comented tht although we have seen mention of the three castes this is the first time the workers have come to the forefront. She commented extensively on the warriors being just as bad as the religious caste in terms of fanaticism just tow sides of the same coin.
            No surrender No Retreat
            I'm rather more scattered on this. L was happy to see female captains on the destroyers but also commented that in terms of sheer size and potential heavyweight punch, they appear to outclass the white stars. She also didn't initially see the white star impact the docking bay on the pollox and destroying it and seemed to recognise the actor playing the captain of the heracles and battle group commander. There were some comments about the naming of the ships in terms of greek or roman references. L also liked the londog;kar interaciton, both in g'kars quarters and later on in the bar. especially the "on a different page". I asked her if she noticed how much darker Lonod's wardrobe is now. the following is a direct quote
            Originally posted by L
            I kinda like G'kar .. which.. I think everyone knows, but if asked for a favourite character.. would be Ivanova.. G'kar as second, maybe tied with Marcus.
            . Finally when the creits came up and this is my favourite aspect of L's growing involvement with the show she said, in a quiet voice "oh, it ended". So drawn in she was sad it stopped.

            On a side note we've been watching the trailer , which are as a rule hilariously awful, especially the overblown voiceover. But therese two seemed almost relevant.
            "There are no good wars. War is always the worst possible way to resolve differences. It degenerates and corrupts both sides to ever more sordid levels of existence, in their need to gain an advantage over the enemy. Those actively involved in combat are almost always damaged goods for the rest of their lives. If their bodies don't bear scars, their minds do, ofttimes both. Many have said it before, but it can't be said to enough, war is hell. "

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            • #36
              Originally posted by phazedout View Post
              L also liked the londo g'kar interaction, both in g'kars quarters and later on in the bar. especially the "on a different page".
              "On a different page" is one of my favorite G'Kar quotes.

              Thanks for keeping the updates coming.

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              • #37
                Exercise of Vital Powers
                L observed that Garibaldi doesn't trust sheridan, this being made fairly obvious during the voiceover. myself (and Jan can perhaps confirm) that the "i can't belive i'm back on mars" might be a reference to the schazanegger movei total recall. L also pointed out that Wade tells him to put the blindfold on right away then gives him a 5 mintues speech exaplining it, all of which Garibaldi hasn't put the blindfold on. L thought hte room he was in looked like a hotel room wiht the stuff on the sideboard and also was amused by the touch touch touch touch touch thing with Garibli, a personal obersation, a rare touch of humour in this very dark eipsodes. L thought the room he was in was very tiny then he's in the huge room with the telepath.

                In between epipsodes i was asked in several ways why garibaldi was doing this. L speculated various reasons and she wasn't sure, seemed to think this behavior was out of character. Rather than mantain my usual enigmatci silence I told her she'd get an explanation, it might not be one she liked but she would get one.
                The Face of the Enemy
                L said she hoped Edgers was shipping up actual oranges from earth and not the concentrate as the taste is totally different. She also said she hated the back stabbing and behind the scenes stuff, the manipulaiton and machivelian evil. My "moment of the episode" was a little "oh" of realisation when bester got in the transport tube. I love these moments of revelation. L thought bester looked a big bloated in the face. She also pointed out that now that the Psy Cops have the virus, they have the same level of control over the teeps that edgars wanted.
                "There are no good wars. War is always the worst possible way to resolve differences. It degenerates and corrupts both sides to ever more sordid levels of existence, in their need to gain an advantage over the enemy. Those actively involved in combat are almost always damaged goods for the rest of their lives. If their bodies don't bear scars, their minds do, ofttimes both. Many have said it before, but it can't be said to enough, war is hell. "

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by phazedout View Post
                  The Face of the Enemy
                  L said she hoped Edgers was shipping up actual oranges from earth and not the concentrate as the taste is totally different. She also said she hated the back stabbing and behind the scenes stuff, the manipulaiton and machivelian evil. My "moment of the episode" was a little "oh" of realisation when bester got in the transport tube. I love these moments of revelation. L thought bester looked a big bloated in the face. She also pointed out that now that the Psy Cops have the virus, they have the same level of control over the teeps that edgars wanted.
                  I'm surprised she didn't mention Sheridan being taken down "like a lion by a pack of hyenas."

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                  • #39
                    It is soooo fantastic when it gets to the level of involvement that the viewer can't believe the episode is over. I am about to start a re-watch with a first time viewer and I can't wait until we get the episode where he wants to watch the next episode immediately. It is also great when they start to have realizations like Psi Corps now has control over something they can use to control their own ranks. And also the insights into the exposition are great, ie the size of the rooms and so on. I am so glad L finally got the answer to the Garbaldi question. Can't wait to hear what she thinks of the next one. LOL
                    Susan Ivanova, "I'll be in the car."

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