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  • #31
    As for my rudeness, if what I described didn't apply to you, then you weren't called any names.
    Oh please. If you're going to aim vitriolic comments at somebody, at least have the courage to stand by them when pulled up about it, rather than trying to escape on a technicality.

    Rudeness and stupidity in one package. How efficient of them.
    Plagiarism, lack of originality, and insulting behaviour in one sentence. How efficient of you. If you're going to attempt to insult someone with clever and witty snipes, then you should really try and make sure they're your own. Or you don't look clever and witty at all.

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    • #32
      This will be my last post in this thread unless somebody requests the synopsis of 'Gut Reactions', the 5th season Peter David/Bill Mumy script that was unproduced.

      To those who feel personally insulted by anything I posted, in the interest of peace, I apologize.

      I honestly think that by my writing in the *first* response to the question that started this thread:

      There were some files being traded about at some point but they were/are bootleg.
      was really sufficient notice that trading the files around was illegal. Others don't seem to agree, nor think that they should have asked for clarification if they weren't certain. So be it, it's really not my problem.

      I was sincerely trying to be helpful by answering the question quickly and fully.

      Shall we move on now?

      Jan
      "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Radhil
        Jesus H Tapdancing Christ on a Pogo Stick.

        Fire department, this way, as you can see it's an inferno.... just a match it was, but people tried to blow on it instead of stamping it out...
        If this was in response to my posts, I apologize. I was responding to posts on the previous page and hadn't seen the fireman arrive on the scene.

        In any case, I believe I have made my point and won't engage any further in the debate.

        And I appreciate the efforts of the firemen... in fact, I swear I didn't know that bucket had gasoline in it - I thought it was water!
        I believe that when we leave a place, part of it goes with us and part of us remains. Go anywhere in the station, when it is quiet, and just listen. After a while, you will hear the echoes of all our conversations, every thought and word we've exchanged. Long after we are gone .. our voices will linger in these walls for as long as this place remains. But I will admit .. that the part of me that is going .. will very much miss the part of you that is staying.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Jan
          This will be my last post in this thread unless somebody requests the synopsis of 'Gut Reactions', the 5th season Peter David/Bill Mumy script that was unproduced.
          I'd love to see that synoposis actually Jan. Out of curosity why wasn't it produced?

          Something I've always been intrested in is B5 scripts that were never produced... but I've never been able to see much proof that any of them were written except the two JMS Crusade scripts and the Bester one as well.

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          • #35
            Well, I'm not going to get into a flame war and hurl cheap insults behind the cover of a screen name. I'm just going to say a few things, with logic and tact.

            For one, it seems highly hypocritical of many of you to support freeing known terrorists from Guantonomo while accusing people of something that would be considered a "victimless" crime. Heck, according to liberal public defendants, sales of narcotics is a victimless crime. Again, I think this behavior is highly indicative of a kind of jingoist dedication to JMS.

            This little episode is nothing more than a "holier than thou" case of the pot calling the kettle black. So what if I haven't sent anything to Kevin or RC? How will anyone find out? Will they go into my private e-mails, like Nightwatch? I mean, the exchange of scripts that can't be obtained anywhere else nowhere near warrants the kind of authorization to invade someone's prviacy compared to suspected terrorist threats.

            As for the scripts' copyrighted statuses...they were sent to me. It is not a practice of mine to research everything sent to me to check for its legality in public domain. Heh. I have better things to do with my time.

            But this all has reinforced my LOVE for these boards. They're so full of life and...fervor! Makes discussing B5 exciting and unpredictable. Just like when I logged on and found this. Wonderful, guys, just wonderful.

            P.S.

            I am not a Shadow agent sent to create conflict in the name of evolution.
            Recently, there was a reckoning. It occurred on November 4, 2014 across the United States. Voters, recognizing the failures of the current leadership and fearing their unchecked abuses of power, elected another party as the new majority. This is a first step toward preventing more damage and undoing some of the damage already done. Hopefully, this is as much as will be required.

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            • #36
              PART 1 - Gut Reactions Synopsis

              Originally posted by Kevin
              I'd love to see that synoposis actually Jan. Out of curosity why wasn't it produced?

              Something I've always been intrested in is B5 scripts that were never produced... but I've never been able to see much proof that any of them were written except the two JMS Crusade scripts and the Bester one as well.
              I don't know why for sure, Kevin. I know that all JMS said is that it didn't work out. From my own reading, it really didn't seem up to par when compared to JMS' scripts. There's also a major revelation in the script that JMS may have simply changed his mind about. When I had the script autographed by Bill Mumy, he said that at first JMS seemed to like the script and then rejected it.

              As for other scripts that weren't produced, I don't know. The cast member I bought my collection from had a lot of first and writer's drafts, even some outlines but the Crusade scripts and GR were the only ones in his collection that were unproduced.

              Now let's see if this works:


              Gut Reactions

              Written by

              Peter David & Bill Mumy



              Teaser:
              The episode opens in an open market section during morning rush hour. Businesses are just opening, people are buying morning. Zack stops at a pastry shop for coffee and observes SAPANO BINCIN raising a fuss, complaining that his pastry tastes bad and is stale and being generally obnoxious. Zack steps in as the crowd gets impatient, deems the pastry both tasty and fresh and tells Sapano to leave or ZackÆll run him in for disorderly conduct. Sapano leaves, warning that Zack will soon be groveling to him and polishing his boots with his tongue.

              Vir has entered on the tale end of the exchange and when Zack wonders who the heck that guy thinks he is, Vir informs him that Sapano is LondoÆs replacement. Since Sapano canÆt replace Londo since Londo didnÆt leave due to his ship exploding, SapanoÆs been making a nuisance of himself.

              Meanwhile, in deep space a Brakiri vessel is under attack and, despite pleas and surrender, is destroyed.

              Act One:
              Sheridan is putting his shirt back on after being examined by Dr. Franklin. He tries to reassure Delenn that all heÆs got is a little heartburn but Franklin disagrees and diagnoses a gastric ulcer. All Sheridan needs to do is take his medicine and reduce his stress levels and heÆll be fine in a few weeks. Sheridan tries to explain that with budget problems, resource problems etc., he doesnÆt foresee his stress levels going down.

              Outside of LondoÆs quarters Garibaldi wants Londo to say something but Londo doesnÆt understand why. Eventually he gives in and says ôMoose and squirrelö for Garibaldi and enters his quarters. There he finds Sapano sprawled out on LondoÆs couch, apparently passed out.

              A little bit later Garibaldi is meeting with Sheridan who complains about the two dozen dignitaries waiting to see him to ask for favors from the Alliance. Garibaldi reminds him to look at the big picture, not to get bogged down with petty irritations. Sheridan can see the sense in that and figures that the next since the next item is to mediate a border dispute, thatÆs a large enough item to merit his attention. Trouble is, itÆs dispute between neighbors arguing about a two meter difference of opinion. SheridanÆs stomach hurts.

              Back in LondoÆs quarters an obviously hung over Sapano is claiming that, despite having made some enemies during his week on the station so far, heÆs also made some useful allies. Londo replies that when he leaves to become emperor, he doesnÆt want Sapano undoing all of the good LondoÆs done. Sapano argues that itÆs hard for somebody as important as he and his family is to deal with such inferiors. Londo and Vir decide to explain to Sapano the meanings of the words æAmbassadorÆ and æDiplomatÆ.

              Meanwhile, in SheridanÆs office, the Drazi are needing guidance as to what color flag they should use this year; green or purple and what shade of each? Sheridan suggests that they use white since it encompasses all colors of the spectrum and the Drazi Ambassador is thrilled with the idea and rushes off. Garbaldi observes that every time the Drazi go to war theyÆll do it waving a white flag, which should make for nice short wars. Sheridan complains about all of the pettiness and rubs his stomach.

              The next appointment is from the Abbai ambassador who wants Sheridan to officiate at a state dinner as æFigureheadÆ, which involves standing quietly for 5 ¢ hours then making a speech consisting of four words ôPeace be with youö. Sheridan declines and asks Michael to reschedule the rest of his appointments.

              Sheridan leaves his office but is accosted by a Brakiri magistrate, KENON, who asks for SheridanÆs help. Sheridan tells him that unless itÆs a matter of life or death, he wonÆt help and the Brakiri explains that many have already died, including his son, due to recent acts of terrorism.

              Act Two:
              In the Zocalo, Sapano is ending a meeting with BISTOOI, an Abbai. Bistooi is obviously impressed with Sapano and vice versa. As Sapano leaves, he meets GÆKar who observes that Sapano is more qualified to be a smuggler and terrorist than a diplomat. Vir arrives and wants everybody to get along, and Sapano promises to treat GÆKar with the respect he deserves, that of a traitorous treacherous Narn. Some Narns in the background hear this and a scuffle ensues.

              Sheridan meets with Kenon and tells him that heÆs having Garibaldi assign at least two white stars to patrol the area where the terrorist attacks have taken place. Hopefully that will keep the attackers frightened off.

              In Security, Sapano is in custody and being abusive toward Zack when Londo and Vir come to take him. Sapano goes on about how the Centauri need to reclaim their greatness while Vir apologizes and Zack just wants him out of there.

              Sheridan meets Delenn in the Zen garden and she tries to persuade him to be the Figurehead for the Abbai, offering to teach him some meditation techniques to get through it. John promises to at least try to stop by the banquet.

              In Brakiri space, White Star 6 radios a Brakiri ship that thereÆre no raiders in the area and the captain is sure they wonÆt be back. As the White Star leaves via a jump point, a small probe comes from behind it to follow the Brakiri ship.

              Garibaldi meets Zack in a corridor, responding to a fight that broke out at the Abbai dinner party. Five are injured and the Abbai ambassador is dead.

              Act Three:
              In Medlab, Sheridan, Delenn, GÆKar, Londo and Sapano are meeting with an Abbai representative. The Abbai rep blames the whole thing on Sheridan not being at the dinner as Figurehead to keep the peace. Sapano breaks into the discussion to assure the Abbai rep that the Centauri would ensure that the murderer would be caught and punished severely.

              Vir and GÆKar meet in a corridor and discuss the fact that Sapano is even worse than Londo used to be. They have the air of being on the same side in something.

              Garibaldi and Zack discuss the fact that Sheridan really doesnÆt need this stress and Zack complains that heÆs got dozens of conflicting stories and lots of missing Abbai who were afraid that theyÆd be accused, so disappeared. Franklin links in with Zack to let him know that the dead Abbai ambassador had a small piece of fabric under his fingernails. There was enough to get a full DNA workup so theyÆll at least find out the species of the murderer and then they can check the DNA of the guests who could have that DNA.

              A transport tube opens to reveal a seedy looking Drazi who is accosted by a couple of Narns who hustle him away. Vir, looking on, looks satisfied that this happened.

              In the Zocalo, Sapano seems to be waiting for somebody but GÆKar comes and tells him that his black market buddy wonÆt be coming. He taunts Sapano that his presence has encouraged the Narns to clean up the area of shady characters, which angers Sapano.

              As the Brakiri cargo vessel continues on itÆs way, a ship like that seen earlier moves in for an attack.

              In SheridanÆs office, Garibaldi reports that genetic records are slow in coming from the Abbai due to their paranoia, but once they have them, the cross-match on the DNA sample can proceed. Sheridan takes his ulcer medicine as he listens, then laments that he should have been at the banquet and might have been able to prevent the whole thing. Garibaldi tries to comfort him, saying that there probably wasnÆt anything Sheridan could have done anyway, then leaves. Sheridan turns to Franklin and requests a copy of the genetic readout on the killer but refuses to tell Franklin why he wants it.

              CONTINUED
              "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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              • #37
                PART TWO - Gut Reactions Synopsis

                Act Four:
                Sapano is on the viewscreen talking to PINTAR, getting dressed down for losing his contacts to the Narns and for not having worked out a treaty with the Abbai ambassador to move certain cargo through their space. Sapano protests that he still has Bistooi as a contact and that he might still fix things. Pintar reminds him that they require completely unrestricted passage through Abbai space.

                In hyperspace, the captain of White Star 6 watches the probe watching over the Brakiri cargo vessel as the attack ship approachs it. The White Star comes out of hyperspace.

                Zack goes to see Sheridan and tells him that heÆs pretty sure Sheridan wants to do something stupid due to his guilt about not attending the Abbai dinner party. He convinces Sheridan to give him the data crystal with the DNA information on it. After Zack leaves, the Brakiri Magistrate comes to see Sheridan who wants a favor. He produces a duplicate data crystal.

                The White Star intercepts the attacking ship and blows it into space dust. As they leave, another jump point opens and another, larger attack vessel emerges. On board that vessel, a Brakiri prisoner is being interrogated by other two interrogators who comment that itÆs a shame they had to sacrifice the other ship.

                In downbelow, Sapano is waiting for Bistooi who arrives late. Bistooi demands that Sapano get him off the station immediately. Sapano argues that, even though he never wanted the Abbai ambassador dead, why shouldnÆt they use the fact to their advantage. Bistooi admits to being the one who killed the ambassador during an argument where Bistooi was trying to get the ambassador to do what Sapano wanted. Sapano wants him to stay but Bistooi threatens to expose all of SapanoÆs shady dealings. Sapano draws a knife on Bistooi but suddenly Bistooi is enveloped in a red light. They turn to see the Brakiri Magistrate, Kenon, whose staff is emitting the light. Kenon pronounces Bistooi under arrest but Sapano and Bistooi bolt in opposite directions. Sheridan accosts Bistooi and they fight. Bistooi ends the fight by kicking Sheridan in the stomach but Garibaldi arrives as Bistooi tries to run again. Meanwhile, Zack catches Sapano and disarms him without having to use his PPG. Zack wanted the satisfaction of seeing Sapano packed off in disgrace. Garibaldi is proud of Zack for realizing that Sheridan needed to be followed. Sheridan complains that the kick will probably keep him on medicine for at least an extra week.

                Tag:
                At the Zocalo, Londo and Vir are talking about how Vir helped GÆKarÆs Narns in getting rid of SapanoÆs shady contacts. Vir is amazed that Londo even knew since Londo wasnÆt inclined to do much of anything about Sapano. Londo replies that he knew Vir would take care of it, which is why Londo will be nominating Vir to replace him as ambassador.

                Sheridan, Delenn and Garibaldi join them after seeing off Kenon, the Brakiri Magistrate. Sheridan wishes they could have done more than just scaring off the attackers. Garibaldi comforts him, saying that now the raiders will lay low or move on.

                On the larger raider ship, the Brakiri prisoner threatens the interrogators, telling them that his father is a Magistrate and that heÆll find them. The interrogators come into the light and are revealed to be Centauri, one of them being Pintar who spoke to Sapano earlier. Pintar plants evidence that another race is who had the Brakiri prisoner, then kills him and has him dumped in space. He comments that that should start friction between the Brakiri and the other race and they can move on to do the same again, causing the Alliance to be fractured.

                The End

                So...what does everybody think?

                Jan
                "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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                • #38
                  Well... had it gone to air I'd hope they would have taken out the space stuff, due to the fact that the approach that they took involved the Centauri not really being in control of the conflict, that it was really just the Drakh using the Regent to get the resources to make it look like the Centauri were behind it.

                  An amuesing thing is that they used the Abbai, a race that hadn't really been seen much since Season 1 (although they were a race that joined the Interstellar Alliance). I have a feeling had it gone to air they might have changed the race.

                  I'm not sure if I entierly buy the idea of another Centauri Ambassador being put in place, but I supposed it all worked in the end. As far as episodes go, it really does have the feel of a Season 5 episode. And as such it dosen't seem so bad, although I don't think I'd put it above any of the JMS scripts that were in Season 5.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Kevin
                    Well... had it gone to air I'd hope they would have taken out the space stuff, due to the fact that the approach that they took involved the Centauri not really being in control of the conflict, that it was really just the Drakh using the Regent to get the resources to make it look like the Centauri were behind it.
                    Yes, that was the major thing that JMS obviously changed his mind about.

                    An amuesing thing is that they used the Abbai, a race that hadn't really been seen much since Season 1 (although they were a race that joined the Interstellar Alliance). I have a feeling had it gone to air they might have changed the race.
                    Possibly, though I do remember seeing them in the background fairly regularly so they may have been around for a reason.


                    I'm not sure if I entierly buy the idea of another Centauri Ambassador being put in place, but I supposed it all worked in the end. As far as episodes go, it really does have the feel of a Season 5 episode. And as such it dosen't seem so bad, although I don't think I'd put it above any of the JMS scripts that were in Season 5.
                    The ambassadorial thing is the other major difference in what JMS decided to do. I'm not sure if I made it plain in what I wrote, but there seemed to be an emphasis on G'Kar and Vir coming to an understanding and working together which may have been meant to be the beginning of their working closely in the Centauri Prime trilogy. Hmm...which Peter David wrote...<g>

                    Oh, and I remembered one other idea that didn't get made into an episode but I don't think that it ever got past the outline/pitch stage. David Gerrold wrote an outline for "Laser-Mirror-Starweb" which became one of the B5 comics instead.

                    Jan
                    "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Z'ha'dumDweller
                      This little episode is nothing more than a "holier than thou" case of the pot calling the kettle black. So what if I haven't sent anything to Kevin or RC? How will anyone find out? Will they go into my private e-mails, like Nightwatch? ...
                      For what it's worth I no longer need the scripts. I was mainly interested in the STORY arc, and since I found the synopsis of each episode (below), my curisoity has been satisfied.

                      A Bester episode:
                      http://worldsofjms.com/crusade/reviews/script2.htm

                      First Major Arc Episode (think Signs and Portents):
                      http://worldsofjms.com/crusade/reviews/script1.htm

                      Season One Finale:
                      http://worldsofjms.com/crusade/reviews/script3.htm

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                      • #41
                        Z'ha'dumDweller: For one, it seems highly hypocritical of many of you to support freeing known terrorists from Guantonomo while accusing people of something that would be considered a "victimless" crime. Heck, according to liberal public defendants, sales of narcotics is a victimless crime. Again, I think this behavior is highly indicative of a kind of jingoist dedication to JMS.
                        That was logical and tactful? Call me when you're stark raving bonkers, I'd love to see it.

                        grumbler: If this was in response to my posts, I apologize. I was responding to posts on the previous page and hadn't seen the fireman arrive on the scene.
                        Nah, was just my reaction to the explosion in general.
                        Radhil Trebors
                        Persona Under Construction

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Radhil
                          Jesus H Tapdancing Christ on a Pogo Stick.

                          Fire department, this way, as you can see it's an inferno.... just a match it was, but people tried to blow on it instead of stamping it out...
                          Radhil, you're a fucking wonder, you have such a way of hitting that damnable nail right on the head in a humerous and lighthearted way. LMAO.

                          I was wondering if anyone else had picked up on one obscure comment in JMS's posting. By the way, Jan, thanks for the synopsis, I was about to ask you for it

                          JMS says, "it greatly reduces my ability to ever
                          sell them or publish them in book form in future." This was three years ago...he's obviously talking about a now possibly hampered future for these Crusade story ideas. Could he not therefore still have plans for these ideas in the B5 universe? Something big we don't yet know? Someplace he might've been going that was way cool? Thus his anger that these things have reduced his ability to use them in future. Interesting if you wanted to read between the lines so to speak. Although, granted this is something more akin to guessing between the lines since no ones knows what in Valen's name actually goes through JMS's head at any given moment.
                          Last edited by colonyearth; 03-16-2004, 11:37 AM.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by OmahaStar
                            Someone say "blow"?

                            Oh CE, darling ....
                            No one said suck though and that's much more fun!
                            Anthony Flessas
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by colonyearth
                              No one said suck though and that's much more fun!
                              I've gone from suck to blow.
                              "Jan Schroeder is insane" - J. Michael Straczynski, March 2008

                              The Station: A Babylon 5 Podcast

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by OmahaStar
                                I've gone from suck to blow.
                                Does that make your balls balloon up?
                                Anthony Flessas
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