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  • Joseph DeMartino
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    Originally posted by Andrew_Swallow View Post
    I was not requiring something special, just one of the existing scenes.
    I don't know how a brief scene with the actors in front of a green-screen qualifies as a "radio trailer" (doesn't radio mean "no pictures" by definition?), but this is precisely what JMS said he didn't want to show:

    The cgi won't be sufficiently finished to bring anything of substance,
    and we don't do the final audio mix until March, and I'm leery of
    bringing anything that isn't balanced.
    A brief scene without music, sound effects and dialogue properly mixed, and without the virutal sets and the rest of the CGI is worse than nothing - those things always look so bad and are usually so emtionally dead that they're more likely to turn people off than intrigue them. (Ever look at the bonus materials and making of documentaries on the DVDs for movies with heavy CGI? This stuff invariably looks like crap.)

    Regards,

    Joe

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  • Andrew_Swallow
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    Originally posted by Jan View Post
    As for the 'radio play trailer', yes, they *could have* done something like that but if they didn't record it back in November it's not likely to exist by February.
    I was not requiring something special, just one of the existing scenes.

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  • Jan
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    Originally posted by AmyG View Post
    That's funny, because I could swear that you were the one who put the idea in my head in the first place that maybe he would bring something TLT with him, which is what got me excited about going to the con at all!
    Could be. I'm willing to take the blame. All I can say is that there's what I hope for when I'm being excited about something and there's what I actually expect when I think it through. The difference is that sneak previews aren't the only reason I wanted to go to this con. I'm also interested in JMS's other projects and even without video there might be good stories about JMS wearing his director hat.

    Oh...and meeting up with whichever of the Usual Suspects might show up is always a draw.

    Jan
    Last edited by Jan; 01-21-2007, 11:14 AM.

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  • Joseph DeMartino
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    To answer Andrew's question - the con itself normally pays the guest of honor's expenses out of its own funds. (In the early days of the Star Trek cons in New York, Leonard Nimoy used to book himself onto the $10,000 Pyramid for the con week to save the committee part of the cost. )

    Where you might want to have material on hand to market to people with whom you might be inclined to take meetings, if you were attempting to court them to purchase your product for broadcast.
    WB will no doubt coordinate any sales meetings with the networks. Even if JMS needs to be in said meetings (which is not a given) there's no particular reason to schedule such a meeting for a weekend when JMS happens to be in New York. (For one thing the networks all have major facilities in Los Angeles, where the studios are. Even if the final approval would come from 30 Rock or Black Rock, the negotiations could still take place in Burbank.) Even if they were to meet in New York, WB isn't so poor that they'd have to schedule the meeting for a week when somebody else was buying JMS's tab.

    Then there's the TV buying season(s) to consider. I'm semi-familiar with the situation for weekly series and the broadcst networks. This is (initially) a single TV movie, at best an occassional series of movies a la Columbo, and it may be offered to cable channels if the networks pass. There is probably a specific window for each market for something like this, and JMS and WB probably can't pitch it outside that wndow.

    Finally with a project like this WB is almost certainly going to want to show potential buyers the finished film. They aren't in the usual situation of needing a brodcast slot in order to make their money back. They're confident they can turn a profit on the DVDs without ever making a TV sale. So rather than show potential buyers a work in progress or a couple of minutes of semi-finished work, why not show 90 minutes or realy cool, polished material that represents exactly what the network would be airing?

    C'mon, admit it: You're just mad because Jan got your hopes up and you could practically see that promo footage.

    Regards,

    Joe

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  • AmyG
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    Originally posted by Garibaldi's Hair View Post
    And if WB are already in negotiations for a network to broadcast the shows, I doubt the fact there is a TV presence at the con makes any odds one way or the other.
    Not at the con. In town. In New York. Where you might want to have material on hand to market to people with whom you might be inclined to take meetings, if you were attempting to court them to purchase your product for broadcast.

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  • Garibaldi's Hair
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    Originally posted by AmyG View Post
    It just seems crazy to me. I assume they're still trying to cut a deal to get the thing broadcast, and there's certainly a television presence in New York. To say I'm disappointed -- in addition to surprised -- would be putting it mildly. I have to really think about whether I still want to go, even. I don't really care that much about what JMS has to say in his Q&As; the important stuff will get quoted online. And as Jan points out, it's mainly a comics con, which to me isn't as much fun as a general media con. But the chance to be the first to see even a snippet of new Babylon 5 was something I was really looking forward to. Phooey, I say!
    Careful Amy, this is awfully similar to the issue you have taken KoshN to task for over on B5TV. Since JMS appears relaxed about it, and since he knows how the TV business works better than any of us here I don't really think it is such a big deal as far as the marketing of the DVD is concerned.

    Those of us following the news on the web are already looking forward to it. Those casual fans who might pick it up if their interest is piqued would probably be more likely to pick it up if it is available in a couple of weeks time (if they see it in San Diego) rather than in another 3 months time (if they see it in New York) by which point they may well have forgotten what it was that piqued their interest in the first place.

    I don't think a sneak preview will make much difference unless it is followed up fairly quickly by other bulid-up advertising in other forms to reinforce it. And if WB are already in negotiations for a network to broadcast the shows, I doubt the fact there is a TV presence at the con makes any odds one way or the other.

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  • AmyG
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    Originally posted by Jan View Post
    If anything, the most I might have hoped for was a glimpse of the opening title sequence. I've always enjoyed those.
    That's funny, because I could swear that you were the one who put the idea in my head in the first place that maybe he would bring something TLT with him, which is what got me excited about going to the con at all!

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  • Jan
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    Since he's listed as a Guest of Honor of the convention, the con would be picking up his expenses. As for the 'radio play trailer', yes, they *could have* done something like that but if they didn't record it back in November it's not likely to exist by February.

    Jan

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  • Andrew_Swallow
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    Originally posted by Joseph DeMartino View Post
    And given how much use of TLT apparently of virtual sets, until the CGI comes I don't find it implausible that there isn't much that they can cut together into any kind of "trailer". Especially since they couldn't start rendering on the CGI until they had the final cut of the film and knew exactly how long each virtual set segment and space shot was going to run.
    They can do a radio play trailer. A couple of actors in front of a nice green background.

    The other thing is who is paying for JMS's room?
    Marvel comics may not be happy having Warner Brothers DVD steal their news reports.

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  • Jan
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    I'm not surprised. From the very moment that he announced it, JMS has said that there's massive amounts of CGI involved in this project. This was only reinforced by the amount of green screen we see in the photos he released. I expect that a major percentage is going to be composite shots and I'd think that, even with today's technology, those would be the most complex to do properly.

    When JMS brought some of the Crusade episodes to a con here in FL, one was complete except for some of the music cues and the other was only missing a few effects. I don't think he'd ever show something that was less complete than that since it wouldn't give a true feel for the episodes.

    If anything, the most I might have hoped for was a glimpse of the opening title sequence. I've always enjoyed those.

    Jan

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  • AmyG
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    It just seems crazy to me. I assume they're still trying to cut a deal to get the thing broadcast, and there's certainly a television presence in New York. To say I'm disappointed -- in addition to surprised -- would be putting it mildly. I have to really think about whether I still want to go, even. I don't really care that much about what JMS has to say in his Q&As; the important stuff will get quoted online. And as Jan points out, it's mainly a comics con, which to me isn't as much fun as a general media con. But the chance to be the first to see even a snippet of new Babylon 5 was something I was really looking forward to. Phooey, I say!

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  • Joseph DeMartino
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    And as I replied to him on the mod, it seems kind of strange that they'll only have a trailer ready the same weekend the DVD is coming out.
    Well, in fairness to JMS he doesn't say that the first and only trailer is going to be shown at SDCC. He says that a special trailer is being produced that will be shown exclusively at SDCC. Presumably there will be all sorts of stuff on the website and elsewhere, including various trailers, prior to the con, with a special SDCC-only version as a "treat" (like the blooper reels were at the B5 conventions) for the folks at JMS's "home" con on the launch weekend.

    And given how much use of TLT apparently of virtual sets, until the CGI comes I don't find it implausible that there isn't much that they can cut together into any kind of "trailer". Especially since they couldn't start rendering on the CGI until they had the final cut of the film and knew exactly how long each virtual set segment and space shot was going to run.

    Frustrating, but probably not avoidable given the schedules. And I'm sure we'll see promos and trailers well before July, even if the uber-cool version is reserved for SDCC.

    Regards,

    Joe

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  • phazedout
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    what's a googie?
    It seems even the great maker is not averse to the odd typo
    Phaze
    on the "not that I'm perfect you understand, but I'm working on perfection target is 2012" ID

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  • Jan
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    Could be. I've been assuming that NYCC is going to be more comic oriented than SDCC is, though, so maybe that's why JMS wasn't figuring on bringing something B5. Being just it's second year, it's hard to tell if NYCC will become as multi-media as SDCC.

    Jan

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  • AmyG
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    This really bugs me. I mean, they finished filming in November and are well into post-production now, and JMS has known for some time that he's going to be attending a large east-coast convention. It seems inconceivable to me that they wouldn't have planned to specifically get even one two-minute piece of film, something that looks like something, ready for this. And as I replied to him on the mod, it seems kind of strange that they'll only have a trailer ready the same weekend the DVD is coming out. I realize that they're marketing to more than just B5 fans -- they'll want to draw in people who won't have the DVD advance-ordered on Amazon.com -- but to miss the chance of creating some buzz at New York Comic Con just seems like a wasted opportunity, IMHO.

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