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  • #1

    Warren Keffer

    One thing I always loved about B5 was always how natural the plot evolution seemed to be...things you saw in season 1 that didnt make sense until season 4 and vice versa. So one thing that always bugged me was Warren Keffer, in his one season he seemed a wee bit tacked on, never really integral to anything and no one can convince me that a bit part player with a Ahab like obsession was the best way to introduce the Shadows....

    ....Now I know the script books said something about him originally having a bigger role and then JMS wanting him dead...

    ...And I know it's lazy and I should buy the book....

    ...But could someone please tell me why he was originally there????
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  • #2
    Originally posted by prometheous
    ...But could someone please tell me why he was originally there????
    WB simply forced a topgun character on JMS and he killed him off the first chance he got.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by prometheous
      ...But could someone please tell me why he was originally there????
      JMS had intended to introduce a squadron leader named Idori (Dory) Shima but that character was vetoed by PTEN (not WB) as being too thoughtful and not dynamic enough. They wanted "B5's Han Solo", somebody who could bring in the female demographic. So, while JMS added Waren Keffer as requested, he intended to eliminate him at the earliest opportunity.

      Jan
      "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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      • #4
        REALLY???

        Well I always thought JMS liked that Keffer character and WB told him to kill him. I think the original idea was to let Keffer destroy Zha'HaDum on a renegade flight, then fly to sector 14 and travel back through time to become Valen in the past .

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        • #5
          >_<


          No.

          Really no.

          Really.
          Radhil Trebors
          Persona Under Construction

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          • #6
            You're right, Radhil, Morden's got it all wrong. Actually, Keffer was responsible for the deciding vote that started the Earth/Minbari war and then used the Triluminary to look human and infiltrated Earthforce.



            Jan
            "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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            • #7
              Oh damn, how could I miss this important part of the story...?

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              • #8
                Subtext is very important.
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                • #9
                  Yep...that JMS, he is a subtle man.

                  Jan
                  "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by [url=http://jmsnews.com/msg.aspx?id=1-3887]JMS on Feb96 and collected in the archive[/url]
                    [...] Okay, Keffer wasn't all he could've been, but that was because
                    that character was always doomed, and doomed to go fast, so I think I
                    put a little distance between myself and him. [...]
                    I think that Keffer seemed tacked partly for what's stated on that (long) post above. JMS knew that he'd kill him off, so he payed little attention to making the character interesting.
                    I wonder if maybe something similar happened with Byron...
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Capt.Montoya
                      I wonder if maybe something similar happened with Byron...
                      I don't think so. Even as far back as the Bible, I'm pretty sure that the writers were instructed not to get Lyta involved with anybody so it seems that Byron planned from the beginning. Although Lyta was never supposed to be the one to be romantically involved with him, just a follower.

                      Jan
                      "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jan
                        You're right, Radhil, Morden's got it all wrong. Actually, Keffer was responsible for the deciding vote that started the Earth/Minbari war and then used the Triluminary to look human and infiltrated Earthforce.
                        Jan, had you seen the original, original plot (the one that was written in the margins of the Necronomicon) you would have seen that "Keffer" started out as a charactor named "K'Fer," a Narn who was using a Changeling Net to imitate Delenn and cast the deciding vote (in order to boost Narn arms sales). it was after this that he took on the form of a starfury pilot because, as we learned in Midnight on the Firing Line the Narns always put one of their own near any sold weapons to make sure they don't get resold to third parties.

                        JMS killed him off at the end of season 2 because G'Kar was going to buy back the arms and thus the whole raison d'etre for K'Fer was gone. The weird visual stuff that happened to K'Fer when hit by the Slicer Beam was deliberately not unlike what happened to the Minbari with the CN in the pilot.
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                        • #13
                          I wouldn't have minded a good pilot character, but Keffer just plain sucked. Somebody like Mitch would have been good as a recurring character.
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