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  • #16
    Maybe the Shadows gave Anna some technology that easily broke the lock similar to what Morden had when he entered Kosh's quarters in "Interludes and Examinations".

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    • #17
      Originally posted by WillieStealAndHow
      Or that Sheridan never bothered to change his door code throughout his career
      Ivanova to Sheridan in Divided Loyalties: "I let myself in. You should change your lock code more often."

      FP

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      • #18
        Originally posted by FuryPilot

        Ivanova to Sheridan in Divided Loyalties: "I let myself in. You should change your lock code more often."
        And Furypilot swoops in and solves the access issue, lol. Good catch really.

        Deja-vu is always noticed after the event have passed, IMHO, so it is possible that Delenn didnÆt expect Anna Sheridan to walk in that night, but had knowledge of the event from her flash forward in time, which as WillieStealAndHow stated before, Delenn had a WTF moment during the event and realized after the fact her vision/flashback happened as she saw it in WWE. She had no control of her vision/flashback or the chain of events leading to this situation... this is why I loved this show and watch its subtle references to possibilities if there is a production sometime in the future.

        Now some visions didnÆt happened as it was expected, example: GaribaldiÆs recording of Ivanova (some say it could have been B4 in the past, who knows) and/or Jeffery SinclairÆs flashback/escape vision with Garibaldi fighting (also possible B4 connection), but only because the main characters appeared in ôSleeping in Lightö this scenario remains to me as wishful thinking and a long shot then another plot twist to this already great show.

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        "The world is a dangerous place---not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it" --Albert Einstein

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        • #19
          Originally posted by DeMonk
          You do not need to BELIEVE. You might simply be curious as to the identity of the person. I know I would have been.
          But she does not really see the person. She is looking at the glass, a female voice says "hello" (and the person saying it is haloed by the light from the corridor), she drops the glass, and is whisked away.

          Pretty disorienting, and not condusive to lucid recollection. I have always been convinced that when it comes to prophecy Joe is showing us more than he is showing the charactors - it is a trademark of his.
          I believe that when we leave a place, part of it goes with us and part of us remains. Go anywhere in the station, when it is quiet, and just listen. After a while, you will hear the echoes of all our conversations, every thought and word we've exchanged. Long after we are gone .. our voices will linger in these walls for as long as this place remains. But I will admit .. that the part of me that is going .. will very much miss the part of you that is staying.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by vacantlook
            Maybe the Shadows gave Anna some technology that easily broke the lock similar to what Morden had when he entered Kosh's quarters in "Interludes and Examinations".
            I like this better than the "Sheridan's lock code was the one that Anna knew" answer. How could Anna POSSIBLY have known ahead of time that this would be true? Would she really have gone to his quarters just assuming that she knew the code?
            I believe that when we leave a place, part of it goes with us and part of us remains. Go anywhere in the station, when it is quiet, and just listen. After a while, you will hear the echoes of all our conversations, every thought and word we've exchanged. Long after we are gone .. our voices will linger in these walls for as long as this place remains. But I will admit .. that the part of me that is going .. will very much miss the part of you that is staying.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by grumbler
              I like this better than the "Sheridan's lock code was the one that Anna knew" answer. How could Anna POSSIBLY have known ahead of time that this would be true? Would she really have gone to his quarters just assuming that she knew the code?
              She *could* always knock.

              (I could post this version of the scene if anyone is interested in seeing it. An alternate scene in written form should not count as a story idea, especially since we are discussing the scene already)

              Personally, I really don't care how she got into the room. She was pulled out of a Shadow cruiser and "restored" to as close to her previous personality as the Shadows could manage -- all with the express purpose to get Sheridan to Za'ha dum. If the old lock code still worked, fine. If it didn't and she jacked the lock fine.

              And as to why Delenn didn't see this coming -- very simply, she couldn't -- because if she did it would spoil the whole effect it had on the audience.

              And that explanation is good enough for me.

              FP

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              • #22
                Of course another explanation for Delenn's reaction when Anna walks in and says "Hello", is that she is so shocked BECAUSE she realises that she saw this in her vision in the time rift.
                The Optimist: The glass is half full
                The Pessimist: The glass is half empty
                The Engineer: The glass is twice as big as it needs to be

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by grumbler
                  I like this better than the "Sheridan's lock code was the one that Anna knew" answer. How could Anna POSSIBLY have known ahead of time that this would be true? Would she really have gone to his quarters just assuming that she knew the code?
                  Ivanova knew Sheridan's codes, and tells him he should change them more often. If Ivanova knows the Sheridan never changes them, it's not a difficult jump to assume that Anna knows about this "quirk of personality" as well. It's fun to come up with bizarre, interesting ways of Anna getting into Sheridan's quarters, but sometimes the simplest answer really is correct.

                  As for Delenn's flash forward, she may not remember it any better than a dream. And if it was that bad of a dream, she may have (understandably) assumed that it wasn't real and purposely tried to forget about it.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by SLerman
                    Ivanova knew Sheridan's codes, and tells him he should change them more often. à Anna knows about this "quirk of personality" as wellà but sometimes the simplest answer really is correct.
                    Originally posted by FuryPilot
                    She *could* always knock. If the old lock code still worked, fine. If it didn't and she jacked the lock fine.

                    FP

                    I totally agree with these statements. My wife can gain access to my accounts within five different codes that I have reused over the years. Sad to admit it and lazy of me too, but creating new codes for accounts is a pain. So the simplest answer really is the easiest to accept for me.


                    Originally posted by SLerman
                    As for Delenn's flash forward, she may not remember it any better than a dream. And if it was that bad of a dream, she may have (understandably) assumed that it wasn't real and purposely tried to forget about it.
                    Originally posted by rallytbk
                    Deja-vu is always noticed after the event have passed, IMHO, She had no control of her vision/flashback or the chain of events leading to this situation...
                    Hey anything is possible, but is it plausible? IMHO, I think it was possible for Delenn to experience both the events as a dream and as a Deja-vu once the even came to passed. Reading anything more into it would open up other possible situations.
                    "The world is a dangerous place---not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it" --Albert Einstein

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                    • #25
                      Time travel explained, lol.

                      Now it's now, and that's all that is. You remember yesterday, but that is a memory occuring now. The past doesn't physically exist. Nor does the future. The only real (i.e. existing physically) part of our time perception is now.

                      Spaceballs-
                      Dark Helmet: What the hell am I looking at? When does this happen in the movie?
                      Colonel Sandurz: Now. You're looking at now sir. Everything that happens now, is happening now.
                      Dark Helmet: What happened to then?
                      Colonel Sandurz: We passed then.
                      Dark Helmet: When?
                      Colonel Sandurz: Just now. We're at now, now.
                      Dark Helmet: Go back to then!
                      Colonel Sandurz: When?
                      Dark Helmet: Now.
                      Colonel Sandurz: Now?
                      Dark Helmet: Now!
                      Colonel Sandurz: I can't.
                      Dark Helmet: Why?
                      Colonel Sandurz: We missed it.
                      Dark Helmet: When?
                      Colonel Sandurz: Just now.
                      Dark Helmet: When will then be now?
                      Colonel Sandurz: Soon.
                      What ya think?
                      "The world is a dangerous place---not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it" --Albert Einstein

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