Vision Delenn - WWE 2

[DeMonk]

In the time rift in War Without End Delenn sees Anna Sheridan coming to John's quarters. So she knows Anna is still alive and will show up eventually.
Why does she behave as though she has never seen this in the time rift?
Because she is totally unprepared when Anna DOES show up. Wouldn't the lighthouse set off the memory?
It seems to me not to be in character for Delenn. She usually prepares well and doesn't run away from trouble. She wouldn't just ignore the vision.
What am I missing?

[David Panzer]

If you go by the view that "The future is what you make of it", a vision of your future could be viewed as one possible futures.

When Delenn experienced first-hand exactly what happened in the vision, she had a WTF? moment which are moments of surprise. I think those moments aren't exclusive to Earthers.

[DeMonk]

When Delenn experienced first-hand exactly what happened in the vision, she had a WTF? moment which are moments of surprise. I think those moments aren't exclusive to Earthers.

She may be surprised that it actually happened then, I grant you that. But that still doesn't explain why she is not prepared AT ALL.

[grumbler]

She may be surprised that it actually happened then, I grant you that. But that still doesn't explain why she is not prepared AT ALL.

But in the flash-forward she does not know the woman is Anna Sheridan (how could she?) and is simply startled by the arrival of someone strange into a locked room like that.

The second time, she does NOT drop the glass sphere when the woman says "hello," she drops it when the woman announces that she is Anna Sheridan.

A subtle difference, perhaps, but significant IMO.

[Jan]

In the time rift in War Without End Delenn sees Anna Sheridan coming to John's quarters. So she knows Anna is still alive and will show up eventually.
Why does she behave as though she has never seen this in the time rift?
Because she is totally unprepared when Anna DOES show up. Wouldn't the lighthouse set off the memory?
It seems to me not to be in character for Delenn. She usually prepares well and doesn't run away from trouble. She wouldn't just ignore the vision.
What am I missing?

I think you have to take into account that it's only the Centauri who have seers and prophets as part of their culture. While the Minbari have the Dreaming to help them understand themselves, I think that for the most part, prophetic experiences are pretty foreign to them. In that case, I'd imagine that Delenn reacted much as one of us might, by rationalizing it away or treating it more like a dream than a true vision of the future.

Jan

[DeMonk]

But in the flash-forward she does not know the woman is Anna Sheridan (how could she?) and is simply startled by the arrival of someone strange into a locked room like that.

And that is another thing that is very odd. How can she have the entrance code to John's quarters? She was already dead when he was assigned to Babylon 5 so no one would have bothered giving her access to his rooms.
Any suggestions on that one?

[DeMonk]

...prophetic experiences are pretty foreign to them.

I beg your pardon??? VALEN'S PROPHESY is the base of Minbari culture.
She tries to stop the Earth-Minbari war, undergoes the change in the chrysalis, the rangers exist, and so on... all because of a prophesy.

[Jan]

I beg your pardon??? VALEN'S PROPHESY is the base of Minbari culture.
She tries to stop the Earth-Minbari war, undergoes the change in the chrysalis, the rangers exist, and so on... all because of a prophesy.

Pardon granted. Believing in prophecy is a far cry from having a prophetic vision yourself. In fact, seeing as how she'd actually helped Sinclair become Valen, I imagine that it was even easier for her to dismiss her vision because she now knew for a fact that Valen didn't have any visions, he was repeating actual events up to the time he left.

And that is another thing that is very odd. How can she have the entrance code to John's quarters? She was already dead when he was assigned to Babylon 5 so no one would have bothered giving her access to his rooms.
Any suggestions on that one?

I'm not sure it that was covered in the books but I imagine that either he used the same code on every door or she had one of those little lock picks like Ta'Lon used. Getting into people's quarters on B5 never seemed to be much of a problem.

Jan

[DeMonk]

Pardon granted.

Now I feel absolved. You a member of the joker's club?

[Jan]

Whaddya want for a Monday morning?

One other thought I had. Remember when Delenn and John were in the Centauri cell? She said that John had told her about that moment years ago but she hadn't believed him. Stands to reason that she *would* have if she'd actually believed in her own vision, right?

Jan

[DeMonk]

Stands to reason that she *would* have if she'd actually believed in her own vision, right?

You do not need to BELIEVE. You might simply be curious as to the identity of the person. I know I would have been.

[Jan]

But if she didn't believe, that explains why she wasn't prepared for the actuality when it came. I imagine that the 'watching over Sheridan sleeping' might have triggered a sense of deja-vu' but if she didn't believe in the vision she probably hadn't thought of it much after it happened.

Jan

[vacantlook]

Maybe Delenn's reaction became less of a "crap this is happening" and more of a "crap this is happening now!?"

[rallytbk]

I know I am coming in late to this thread, but hereÆs my two centsà

While it is known (to the viewers) during WWE 1+2, that the characters experienced brief flash backs and forwards in time, it is also assumed that they didnÆt know when in time they were in, let alone grasp what was happening around them. To my knowledge John Sheridan was the only character told how many years (forward or backwards) his jump took him?

If we take what we have with Delenn's jump, and look for when it could have happened or why Delenn didnÆt associate that night with John to be anything more than a night with John. By this argument alone that ôshe should have known this would happen that night and why she was surprisedö. It would you assume that she knew the exact moment of AnnaÆs return, her decision to ignore it and her questionable surprise to be faked to follow the timeline is guessing at best. It is impossible to know when something is going to happen unless someone tells you exactly when it is going to happen and why?

To me seems to be an incredible amount of hindsight which is impossible for anybody to know. Even if Delenn knew Anna was alive and that she would return, wouldnÆt her reappearance surprise her the moment she returned? Even if Delenn knew more or less she would return in the future? What would be considered ôThe futureö?

Note: Today is the 6th of February 2006, if I tried to remember what I ate for lunch on the 18th of August 2003, (which by the way is an insignificant date to me) my mind goes blank. I canÆt remember what I had for lunch last week let alone know what I had that day. If you knowà you have a better memory than me.

With this I find DelennÆs reaction to be genuine and following through with what already happened as she saw it, and remembered as the flashback moment.

As for Anna Sheridan access to JohnÆs quartersà I assume that John never removed or modified the ships records to reflect her death. She was always listed as missing and her card key allowed her to gain access to her husbandÆs quarters as it should. Nothing special here. Only that things happened as they said will happen. Nobody really knew when ôin timeö it will happen.

[David Panzer]

Or that Sheridan never bothered to change his door code throughout his career