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  • #1

    Nightwatch and Homeguard

    I am rewatching the first season again just watched the War Prayer and a thought occured to me .Clark it seems was already manuevering to get Santiago out of the way when he was vice president .What if he helped get Homeguard founded while publicly it seems from what I can tell supporting Santiago's plans for Earth.I say this because in season 2 Nightwatch comes with the idea of "put earth first" mantra the homeguard leader told Sinclair and later on Nightwatch seems to have had the same ideas .The only difference there was Nightwatch didn't go around attacking non humans or if they did I don't remember seeing or hearing it.Any other opinions on my admittingly weak idea of Clark's ahm policies.




    EDIT Separte question entirely how long can a president of the EA serve ?In Midnight on the firing line Santiago is up relection so his election would have been his second term how long is the term and is there a set number of times someone can run ?Like in the US a president can only serve 2 terms with 4 years I was wondering if the EA was setup like that or something else .
    Last edited by Satai Delenn; 12-01-2005, 08:59 AM.
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  • #2
    to quote from "Revelations"

    "There's a new order coming back home, Garibaldi. You can either be part of it or you can be stepped on; a winner or a loser. I'm with the side that's going to win."
    "Homeguard?"
    "Homeguard? They're a bunch of misfits. You really don't have a clue, do you, Garibaldi?"
    "Look, if I were you, I'd start talking straight, because right now you're in a whole world of trouble."
    "You don't even know what trouble is. But you're going to find out, real soon."

    I do think that is a valid assumption that Clark probably attempted Homeguard as a non-earthforce associated version of Nightwatch but they went their own way. I always thought of what homeguard could have been or what its point was, and you are probably right.

    as for the term, I would like to say that the presidents term is 2 years. as for how many times, I dont know. If they followed a typical tradition, I would say that Clark was only allowed to service the remaining term of Santiago, and by season 3 that term would have been up, but he declaired martial law. So at that point he was able to remain in power longer than his term.
    "It is said that the future is always born in pain. The history of war is the history of pain. If we are wise, what is born of that pain matures into the promise of a better world, because we learn that we can no longer afford the mistakes of the past." -- G'Kar in Babylon 5:"In the Beginning"

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    • #3
      I also have a feeling that the vice president is elected separately, like governors and lt. governors in some states. However, JMS seemed to use the US model for everything, so it could be that the president and vice president are elected together as running mates.
      Recently, there was a reckoning. It occurred on November 4, 2014 across the United States. Voters, recognizing the failures of the current leadership and fearing their unchecked abuses of power, elected another party as the new majority. This is a first step toward preventing more damage and undoing some of the damage already done. Hopefully, this is as much as will be required.

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      • #4
        At the very beginning of season one, in Midnight on the Firing Line, Santiago was up for reelection. At the end of season 4, the woman who had the "shoot him" discussion with Sheridan during Rising Star was appointed to fill the remainder of his term. And, there was, according to a throwaway line by the political pundit, an election season about. That leads me to believe there is a 5 year term, because it was fairly clear from the dialogue that the election was not imminent. So, as far as the reelection, it is obvious that at least two terms are permitted.

        Being that it was 10 years from the Minbari war to the beginning of the series, the woman who was president during In The Beginning had Luis Santiago as Vice President (I have also read somewhere that JMS has confirmed this). So I doubt that many more than two terms are permitted.

        That is what I have been able to glean. Your actual mileage may vary.
        "Ivanova is God!"

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        • #5
          Well, it looks like it'd be a four-year term, then. If Santiago was voted in during season one and his term started within a few months, then an election season being about in season four would indicate that he would have been nearing his final year in office.
          Recently, there was a reckoning. It occurred on November 4, 2014 across the United States. Voters, recognizing the failures of the current leadership and fearing their unchecked abuses of power, elected another party as the new majority. This is a first step toward preventing more damage and undoing some of the damage already done. Hopefully, this is as much as will be required.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Z'ha'dumDweller
            Well, it looks like it'd be a four-year term, then. If Santiago was voted in during season one and his term started within a few months, then an election season being about in season four would indicate that he would have been nearing his final year in office.
            That was at the END of season 4, beginning of season 5. Suggests a 5 year term to me.
            "Ivanova is God!"

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SpooRancher
              That was at the END of season 4, beginning of season 5. Suggests a 5 year term to me.
              Maybe they decided to start Santiago's term from the point where Clarke declared martial law?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by thebaron
                Maybe they decided to start Santiago's term from the point where Clarke declared martial law?
                Not to be rude, but they would do that.... why?
                Radhil Trebors
                Persona Under Construction

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SpooRancher
                  That was at the END of season 4, beginning of season 5. Suggests a 5 year term to me.
                  Late season 1 to late 2 = 1 year

                  Late season 2 to late 3 = 2 years

                  Late season 3 to late 4 = 3 years

                  Late season 4 to late 5 = election season
                  Recently, there was a reckoning. It occurred on November 4, 2014 across the United States. Voters, recognizing the failures of the current leadership and fearing their unchecked abuses of power, elected another party as the new majority. This is a first step toward preventing more damage and undoing some of the damage already done. Hopefully, this is as much as will be required.

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                  • #10
                    Santiago's reelection was in Midnight on the Firing Line - the first episode shown which would have made it January 2258. Deconstruction of falling stars began at the end of 2261 since each season equated to a calendar year and the first 'historical segment' is dated 2262 and that's when the senator says that it's an election year. What we don't know is when the inauguration for Santiago was.

                    At least not that I recall. Does anybody else?

                    Jan
                    "As empathy spreads, civilization spreads. As empathy contracts, civilization contracts...as we're seeing now.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jan
                      What we don't know is when the inauguration for Santiago was.

                      At least not that I recall. Does anybody else?

                      Jan
                      It could have been immediate. British Prime Ministers are replaced within a week. The US Constitution still assumes that the votes are arriving by horse.
                      Andrew Swallow

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                      • #12
                        Also, was the commentator's comment about the election season referring to the president? Legislative elections occur, too.
                        Recently, there was a reckoning. It occurred on November 4, 2014 across the United States. Voters, recognizing the failures of the current leadership and fearing their unchecked abuses of power, elected another party as the new majority. This is a first step toward preventing more damage and undoing some of the damage already done. Hopefully, this is as much as will be required.

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                        • #13
                          I found something to add to the whole discussion of how long an Earth Alliance Presidential term is.

                          According to the news report near the beginning of "Chrysalis," Santiago was serving a five year term. Quoting the specific line of the reporter from the episode, "The speech is likely to concern human-alien relations over the remainder of his five-year term."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by vacantlook
                            I found something to add to the whole discussion of how long an Earth Alliance Presidential term is.

                            According to the news report near the beginning of "Chrysalis," Santiago was serving a five year term. Quoting the specific line of the reporter from the episode, "The speech is likely to concern human-alien relations over the remainder of his five-year term."
                            Maybe JMS has an OCD thing with the number five...
                            Recently, there was a reckoning. It occurred on November 4, 2014 across the United States. Voters, recognizing the failures of the current leadership and fearing their unchecked abuses of power, elected another party as the new majority. This is a first step toward preventing more damage and undoing some of the damage already done. Hopefully, this is as much as will be required.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Z'ha'dumDweller
                              I also have a feeling that the vice president is elected separately, like governors and lt. governors in some states. However, JMS seemed to use the US model for everything, so it could be that the president and vice president are elected together as running mates.
                              It was.

                              Remember when Ivanaova and Sinclair were talking about the upcoming elections? Ivanova answered about who she likes in terms of chins. Her father said elect someone with a strong chin. Santiago didn't have one, and his running mate (Clarke) had several.
                              "I am not a number! I am a free man!"

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